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« on: January 28, 2017, 01:43:35 PM »

Yes, and also really gullible
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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2017, 01:13:28 PM »

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Even though I know you and millions of others honestly believe Hillary would do all that, I have a hard time fathoming how that's possible. None of that is anywhere close to anything Hillary has ever advocated.

It's scary how unscrupulous preachers and Internet trolls on the Right have hoodwinked so many people into believing such nonsense...
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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2017, 08:42:05 PM »

If you really believe abortion is murder, you've gotta vote Democratic, because the abortion rate always goes down under Democratic presidents and up under Republican presidents, as Democratic policies actually have a reducing effect on the count.
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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2017, 10:00:05 PM »

http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/wikileaks-podesta-left-wing-activist-plot-catholic-spring/

This, coupled with a packed Supreme Court, could force these changes.

Think about it; they want to infiltrate and manipulate religions that oppose them that they don't believe in. 

John Podesta is neither a preacher, nor a troll.  Think about that as well.
Is that really the best you can do? Private musings between people aren't the same as actual public policy advocated by anyone - you know that Trump's people, Obama's people, Bush's people, etc., had all kinds of personal conversations that have no bearing on anything that was actually done.

Lots of liberal Catholics dream of a day when the church stops being so uptight, especially on issues like contraception, where over 90% of Catholics ignore church "teachings." There was nothing unusual about these scary emailz.

I also think it's hilarious how all these super-right-wing evangelicals, who normally don't even believe Catholics are Christian or can go to Heaven, suddenly care so much about us when they can score a political point or two.

I don't think the left comprehends whatsoever the level of fear religious conservatives have of them in power. They can argue the Democrat establishment would never do the things their supporters want to do to religious conservatives, but few religious conservatives are going to believe that. Why? Because the political landscape changes and the left's social positions change with it. If the left is correct that we are on some arc of social progress, the they're of course going to be against the "next step" right up until they're for it. It's like an entire ideology built around perpetually moving the goal posts.

Well, they can be irrationally scared all they want - they've been deceived by unscrupulous pastors and conmen who want their money. But they got through the Obama years just fine and they'll get through anyone else's.

The Left has no need to force members of the Religious Right to be more tolerant of gays or whatever - it will happen naturally on its own. 50 years ago, the Religious Right was terrified that the big bad gubmit was gonna force them to accept the equality of blacks. All those churches scaremongered and whined, and in the end, the next generation of parishioners was more than willing to accept black equality all on their own. Similarly, within a few decades all these anti-gay churches will have switched over to pro-gay on their own as newer generations take over leadership roles.
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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2017, 10:14:24 PM »

Well, they can be irrationally scared all they want - they've been deceived by unscrupulous pastors and conmen who want their money. But they got through the Obama years just fine and they'll get through anyone else's.

The Left has no need to force members of the Religious Right to be more tolerant of gays or whatever - it will happen naturally on its own. 50 years ago, the Religious Right was terrified that the big bad gubmit was gonna force them to accept the equality of blacks. All those churches scaremongered and whined, and in the end, the next generation of parishioners was more than willing to accept black equality all on their own. Similarly, within a few decades all these anti-gay churches will have switched over to pro-gay on their own as newer generations take over leadership roles.

Liberal Christians generally don't go to church as often.  Liberal denominations are dying out (see Church of England).

With people born in the 1980s and 1990s, supporting gay equality is not a sign of liberalism. Lots of conservative Millienials are openly pro-LGBT and once they take leadership positions in their churches, the churches will flip to supporting gay equality, just like virtually all churches, even in the Deep South, are explicitly anti-racist.
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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2017, 10:20:08 PM »

If you don't agree with Roman Catholicism, don't be a Catholic.  No one's forcing you.  

If you don't want to be an Evangelical, you don't have to be one.  Jesus doesn't twist arms.  Christianity is proselytizing, but not Jihadist.

A church that accepts homosexuality as an acceptable behavior is a church that has abandoned Scripture as being Authoritative.  It's just another book, no more an authority than The Cat In The Hat.  That's fine, too; millions of Americans believe just that.  But if you do believe that, don't come at me with a Bible and tell me I'm wrong, because I'll tell you that your argument is rubbish because you don't believe Scripture to be authoritative, and you're probably wrongly dividing the Word.  When it comes to the authority of Scripture, I'm going to call folks when they try to have it both ways.

False. Just because your prick pastor told you that Episcopals are heretics (I'm not being dramatic by using that word - you yourself used it awhile back while referring to pro-gay Christians) doesn't mean it's true. The Bible is the bedrock of the Episcopal Church, Lutherans, plenty of other pro-LGBT denominations.
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« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2017, 08:23:24 AM »

If you really believe abortion is murder, you've gotta vote Democratic, because the abortion rate always goes down under Democratic presidents and up under Republican presidents, as Democratic policies actually have a reducing effect on the count.

Or you can not believe in consequentialism.

His assertion isn't even true.
Wait, are you denying that abortion rates fell under Clinton and Obama and rose under Bush, or just asserting that those trends weren't the result of presidential policy on abortion?

The best way to reduce the abortion rate is to reduce unwanted pregnancies altogether with policies like more available contraception (thanks Obama) and more comprehensive (ie, not "abstinence only") sex education. Simply making abortion illegal accomplishes nothing - women have been getting them for tens of thousands of years and will continue to if they really want them.

If you don't agree with Roman Catholicism, don't be a Catholic.  No one's forcing you.  

If you don't want to be an Evangelical, you don't have to be one.  Jesus doesn't twist arms.  Christianity is proselytizing, but not Jihadist.

A church that accepts homosexuality as an acceptable behavior is a church that has abandoned Scripture as being Authoritative.  It's just another book, no more an authority than The Cat In The Hat.  That's fine, too; millions of Americans believe just that.  But if you do believe that, don't come at me with a Bible and tell me I'm wrong, because I'll tell you that your argument is rubbish because you don't believe Scripture to be authoritative, and you're probably wrongly dividing the Word.  When it comes to the authority of Scripture, I'm going to call folks when they try to have it both ways.

False. Just because your prick pastor told you that Episcopals are heretics (I'm not being dramatic by using that word - you yourself used it awhile back while referring to pro-gay Christians) doesn't mean it's true. The Bible is the bedrock of the Episcopal Church, Lutherans, plenty of other pro-LGBT denominations.

You're kidding right?

The Episcopal church can't even defrock a Bishop who denies the resurrection and you call the Bible it's bedrock?! What a farce. Most of the mainline denominations were disbelieving the scriptures decades before gay rights became an issue.

You're deliberately picking out one extreme example of an Episcopal saying something outlandish -- obviously there are plenty of off-the-wall things said by random Catholic, Baptist, etc., clerics too. The Episcopal Church doesn't formally believe what Spong does, and neither do virtually all of its members.

The Episcopal mass has 3 readings - 1 old testament, 1 new, and 1 gospel -- each Sunday. And not just a random passage here and there, but many paragraphs that takes a few minutes to read aloud so you get the full context. Then during the homily the priest relates all 3 readings into the point. Compare that to a more typical protestant service where the preacher drones on for an hour about whatever he wants, maybe tying in an out-of-context sentence from the Bible here and there if it can be spun to fit into his point. The Bible is the most central in the worship of churches who follow the Catholic mass style. Nobody takes every single word of the Bible literally, but the mass simply couldn't occur without great respect to the words and lessons of it.
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