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FallenMorgan
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« on: March 08, 2010, 05:45:54 PM »

Not sure about changing the system, but the size of the Assembly should certainly be increased.  We have only eighty representatives, for close to forty million people.  That is not a very representative legislature.
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« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2010, 09:41:47 PM »

I think California has bigger problems than the size of their assembly.

And these same problems can be avoided in the future by making California's government more representative.  We can have a representative in the Assembly for every fifty thousand people, but instead we have one for every four-hundred thousand.
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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2010, 11:56:06 PM »

I think California has bigger problems than the size of their assembly.

And these same problems can be avoided in the future by making California's government more representative.  We can have a representative in the Assembly for every fifty thousand people, but instead we have one for every four-hundred thousand.

Increasing by a factor of eight the clowns in the California state legislature would make for better policy decisions?  Wow, now that is a leap of faith.

It would make for greater representation in the Assembly.
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« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2010, 01:08:31 AM »

Direct democracy isn't necessarily a good thing.
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« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2010, 01:19:35 AM »

The problem with direct democracy is that it lacks the system of checks and balances that exist in a representative democracy.  Fifty-two percent of the population can deprive the other forty-eight of their rights.  And often the popular will is subject to undue influences from special interests.  Most voters aren't exactly well-informed.
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« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2010, 01:28:31 AM »

The problem with direct democracy is that it lacks the system of checks and balances that exist in a representative democracy.  Fifty-two percent of the population can deprive the other forty-eight of their rights.  And often the popular will is subject to undue influences from special interests.  Most voters aren't exactly well-informed.

Watch here.

Each territory/township of a certain size is given a server with fully proxy admission. Each individual in that territory/township is given a randomly-generated password that logs them into the voting booth, hidden behind a proxy so as to preserve the secrecy of the ballot. Each territory/township votes for moderators who regulate what legislation passes through the booth, serving as a check against populist sentiment. Using a Wiki/sandbox format, each individual is capable of writing their own legislation, which, provided it meets certain requirements, the moderators then pass on to be voted on. Thus there is a horizontal, rather than vertical, structure of checks-and-balances.

I concur. The course of human history generally will be from representative to direct democracy, and nowhere in the United States is that transition more likely to begin than in California. We ought to do everything in our power to aid it.

We already tried this direct democracy thing. It didn't work out so well. Thanks to direct democracy, it takes a 2/3rds vote of the legislatur eto pass a budget, but putting bigotry into the Constitution only takes a simple majority of those who bother to show up for a given election. Prop. 13 benefits the old at the expense of the young. The list of failed Propositions goes on and on.

The problem with the current structure in California isn't that individuals are able to submit legislation for the vote, but that there is no serious moderation of voter-initiated legislation by elected officials competent in their area of expertise.

So, you're proposing that there would be a committee of sorts to decide the constitutionality of proposed bills?  With everything else being in the form of direct democracy?

Sounds like an interesting idea.  Internet democracy.
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FallenMorgan
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« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2010, 01:36:02 AM »

The problem with direct democracy is that it lacks the system of checks and balances that exist in a representative democracy.  Fifty-two percent of the population can deprive the other forty-eight of their rights.  And often the popular will is subject to undue influences from special interests.  Most voters aren't exactly well-informed.

Watch here.

Each territory/township of a certain size is given a server with fully proxy admission. Each individual in that territory/township is given a randomly-generated password that logs them into the voting booth, hidden behind a proxy so as to preserve the secrecy of the ballot. Each territory/township votes for moderators who regulate what legislation passes through the booth, serving as a check against populist sentiment. Using a Wiki/sandbox format, each individual is capable of writing their own legislation, which, provided it meets certain requirements, the moderators then pass on to be voted on. Thus there is a horizontal, rather than vertical, structure of checks-and-balances.

I concur. The course of human history generally will be from representative to direct democracy, and nowhere in the United States is that transition more likely to begin than in California. We ought to do everything in our power to aid it.

We already tried this direct democracy thing. It didn't work out so well. Thanks to direct democracy, it takes a 2/3rds vote of the legislatur eto pass a budget, but putting bigotry into the Constitution only takes a simple majority of those who bother to show up for a given election. Prop. 13 benefits the old at the expense of the young. The list of failed Propositions goes on and on.

The problem with the current structure in California isn't that individuals are able to submit legislation for the vote, but that there is no serious moderation of voter-initiated legislation by elected officials competent in their area of expertise.

So, you're proposing that there would be a committee of sorts to decide the constitutionality of proposed bills?  With everything else being in the form of direct democracy?

Sounds like an interesting idea.  Internet democracy.

Essentially, yes. The biggest difficulty in implementing such a method would be devising full-proof mechanisms to prevent hacking of the system. A truly randomly-generated password, using a combination of both letters and digits, ought to suffice, though it would need to be slightly more complicated than our present Social Security structure.

Potential system errors and outages are also a problem.
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