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Umengus
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« on: March 14, 2004, 03:47:53 PM »

I'm very happy. But it isn't finish. There is still 44% of votes. Wait and see...

PSOE: 6218354 43,32%
PP: 5234807 36,47%

56% of votes

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Umengus
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« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2004, 03:50:51 PM »

It's very fast...
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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2004, 03:51:54 PM »

And exit-polls were wrong... It's a great failure for PP
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Umengus
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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2004, 03:54:24 PM »

It was stupid to send troops in Iraq. It's stupid to retire them.

After aznar, I want see Blair and berlusconi out!
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Umengus
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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2004, 04:03:13 PM »

Mister Gordon Brown... I hate Blair, not the labour party. And it was against public opinion to send troops in iraq thus I think that Aznar, Blair, Berlusconi must lose elections. As Bush...
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Umengus
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« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2004, 04:05:47 PM »

Updated : Partial Election Results for the major parties

Poll counted : 76.82%

PSOE: 43.1% (165 seats)
PP: 37.1% (146 seats)
CiU: 3.4% (10 seats)
ERC: 2.7% (8 seats)
EAJ-PNV: 1.8% (7 seats)
IU: 5.1% (5 seats)
CC: 0.1% (4 seats)
Other parties: (5 seats)



You are very fast...
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Umengus
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« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2004, 04:14:41 PM »

Mister Gordon Brown... I hate Blair, not the labour party. And it was against public opinion to send troops in iraq thus I think that Aznar, Blair, Berlusconi must lose elections. As Bush...

Well Aznar was retiring anyway... the PP's candidate was Rajoy.
Over here, our electoral system means that Blair literally cannot lose.
BTW public opinion swung behind the war after the whole UN shenanigans (=brits don't like Chirac).
Not in Spain though...

Yes I know... But it's a vote against Aznar and his lies, not against Rajoy.

And Tony Blair can lose elections no? He is very unpopular with his lies and conservative can win... (I don't like conservative party but it's better than Blair). and Brits didn't want the war but they are patriots and give a support to british troops.
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Umengus
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« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2004, 04:18:27 PM »

Mister Gordon Brown... I hate Blair, not the labour party. And it was against public opinion to send troops in iraq thus I think that Aznar, Blair, Berlusconi must lose elections. As Bush...

Sometimes the public opinion isn't right.

lol but I don't like leaders who lies and give bad informations to the public opinion.
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« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2004, 04:31:48 PM »
« Edited: March 14, 2004, 04:36:18 PM by Umengus »

it's possible... look at Spain (I know, itisn't th british system but a party who has a great majority can lose th next elections) ... If a poll gives a advantage for conservative, conservative wins. I don't like conservative but I prefer a conservative win to a blair win. Solution: Gordon Brown took the party now!  I hoe that libdems will win but is it possible?  I don't know.

I dislike Newt Gringrich. Stupid guy (as...)

PS: FPTP: first past the post. I know this system. It is not a good system. And sometimes, it is not the party who has the most votes who wins. I prefer germany system or Belgium system.
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Umengus
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« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2004, 04:40:20 PM »
« Edited: March 14, 2004, 04:41:00 PM by Umengus »

Still a thing: where is the conservative revolution? in your *ss...Wink


Goodnight and see your tomorrow!
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Umengus
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« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2004, 02:57:02 AM »

Beyond Iraq - that's done, Saddam is gone for good - what are you isolationists going to say when terrorist merge with a terrorist supporting regime like Iran and a a nuke is detonated in an American city by terrorists who would do it without blinking an eye.

I know what they'd say in Europe.  America brought it on themselves.  Blame America.  Always blame America.  Yeah, just like America should take the blame for 9-11.  We brought it on ourselves.  Never the fault of terrorists.  Never.

you are wrong. Europa like America and understands and gives (military) support to actions of USA in afganistan. But europans hate Bush and the war in Iraq is not the war of america, it's the war of Bush. Europeans are thinking that it's a good thing to see Saddam out of the power but they don't agree with the way (without ONU, lies of Bush administration,...). And I would want to say that at the beginning, Chirac was not against the war in Irak (look at 1990: france (with socialist president) was with USA against saddam) but the way in wich  the bush administration covered the subject has constrained Chirac and France to be against.

With 09/11 and madrid bombing (and "paris attacks" in 1995 and ETA in Spain and "tueurs du brabant" in Belgium and "Brigades rouges"in Italy and "la bande à Bader" in Germany. Terrorist is not new in Europa . We don't have lessons to receive you), Europa knows the threat and want to fight against, but not with the way of Bush. In last, Iraq was a *** dictatorship but not a terrorist country.
Saudi Arabia, a allied of USA, is a terrorist country....
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Umengus
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« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2004, 03:37:04 AM »
« Edited: March 16, 2004, 04:47:24 AM by Umengus »

The terrorist win is not zapatero, it's the "PATRIOT act". Spain is a powerfull democracy and terrorist attacks could not change that. The win of zapatero is the win of the democracy, not the win of terrorism.

France and other western democracy (Belgium, Germany, Spain,...) are currently in Afganistan to fight Talibans and Al Qaeda.  The war against Iraq was not a war against terrorism because Al Qaeda was not in Iraq.

I think that the fight against terrorism requires a great european army, a great collaboration between the countries (and it's the case) and especially good leaders and sorry but Bush is not a good leader.
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