Dems Can't Keep Losing Dixie

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Interesting; even after what has happened, I do still agree that we cannot write off the South.  We may not need it every time, but it is never a good idea to write off an entire region, especially one that is growing as quickly as the South.

Why is that? The Dems in 2008 could have written off every Southern state and still have taken in 300+ electoral votes.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Even with its upcoming increases in electoral vote count, the South as a region will still only hold around 203 electoral votes, so it is possible, if perhaps not very probable, to win without any Southern support.

However, many southern areas are already Democratic anyway. DC's 3 electoral votes are the safest Dem votes in the country, and there's not much of a contest in MD and DE either. VA and NC clearly have trended Democratic, while FL has been a swing state for several election cycles by now.

The fact that this thread was written in a different time is quite evident.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

The Republicans did that for a century and remained the dominant party, eh?

The South did not comprise nearly as high a percentage of the electoral college as it does today.

They're still only one fourth of it.

Actually 203/538 would be about 38%. The South certainly will be, on its own, the region with the most electoral clout.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Even with its upcoming increases in electoral vote count, the South as a region will still only hold around 203 electoral votes, so it is possible, if perhaps not very probable, to win without any Southern support.

However, many southern areas are already Democratic anyway. DC's 3 electoral votes are the safest Dem votes in the country, and there's not much of a contest in MD and DE either. VA and NC clearly have trended Democratic, while FL has been a swing state for several election cycles by now.

The fact that this thread was written in a different time is quite evident.

The non-southern states in yellow aren't going to go for any Democratic nominee for a very long time. Gray indicates Nebraska, which can split its electoral votes on occasion:

And? MS, AL, and OK are probably the only southern states that absolutely won't vote for a Democrat in the near future.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Including MD, DE and DC in the South could make sense geographically, but certainly not politically.

Why not? If Mississippi suddenly started voting for liberal Democrats, it would cease to be part of the South?

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Including MD, DE and DC in the South could make sense geographically, but certainly not politically.

Why not? If Mississippi suddenly started voting for liberal Democrats, it would cease to be part of the South?

Mississippi wouldn't do that because the South votes similarly.

Your point being?

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Your point being?

That MD, DC, and DE are not part of the South.

Uh, yeah, they are. The census is right on this one.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Including MD, DE and DC in the South could make sense geographically, but certainly not politically.

Why not? If Mississippi suddenly started voting for liberal Democrats, it would cease to be part of the South?

Mississippi wouldn't do that because the South votes similarly.

Your point being?

My point is that the South is a cultural institution, and a major part thereof is voting patterns. There are certainly parts of Maryland in the South, but Baltimore is not. Nor is Washington. The boundaries of the South do not follow state lines; Northern Virginia is not part of the South. There are parts of Tennessee that are not Southern. This can be seen by the way they have ancestrally voted.

That sort of circular non-logic makes this whole discussion meaningless. The Dems want to win over Southern votes, but Southerners who vote Dem (which includes MD, DC, NOVA) are automatically non-Southern?

Are Idaho, Wyoming, and Utah then part of the South just because they share its cultural conservatism?

NYC and Boston have very different cultures compared to parts of upstate New York and northern New England; that does not mean only one can be Northeastern and others cannot.

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A clearer picture:

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Dixie can't keep losing Dems.


The more the Republicans take over, the more backwards this sh**thole will become.

And what sh**thole is that?

The South, what is this damn thread about?

I like America, but not the South. There are better racists out there.

Yeah, Nazis > KKK

In every way possible.

Yeah, totally Sieg Heil, man. Let's turn the whole South into Lebensraum; we'll throw the blacks and the Muslims and the libertarians into the camps.

And Jews and Slavs and fags and Republicans.

The South has slavs?

Along with the Jews and the fags of course.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Including MD, DE and DC in the South could make sense geographically, but certainly not politically.

Why not? If Mississippi suddenly started voting for liberal Democrats, it would cease to be part of the South?

Yes.

Well clearly I underestimated the level of stupidity of your argument.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Including MD, DE and DC in the South could make sense geographically, but certainly not politically.

Why not? If Mississippi suddenly started voting for liberal Democrats, it would cease to be part of the South?

Yes.

Well clearly I underestimated the level of stupidity of your argument.

Political regions are not geographical regions. MD gave 60% of its votes to Obama, while WV gave him only 46%. Some exceptions can be accepted, but putting MD in the South is just stupid.

By your ridiculous non-logic, the South completely ceased to exist decades ago, since voting Democratic was one of the most ingrained features of Southern culture for nearly a century.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Including MD, DE and DC in the South could make sense geographically, but certainly not politically.

Why not? If Mississippi suddenly started voting for liberal Democrats, it would cease to be part of the South?

Yes.

Well clearly I underestimated the level of stupidity of your argument.

Political regions are not geographical regions. MD gave 60% of its votes to Obama, while WV gave him only 46%. Some exceptions can be accepted, but putting MD in the South is just stupid.

By your ridiculous non-logic, the South completely ceased to exist decades ago, since voting Democratic was one of the most ingrained features of Southern culture for nearly a century.

It changed : the trend was common to the whole South (and not to MD and DE) so my "ridiculous non-logic" is confirmed.

No offense, but this is seriously one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard on this forum. A state does not cease to exist in its own region because of its voting patterns. 

MD, DE, VA, FL, and NC all voted Democratic, and all are part of the South.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Including MD, DE and DC in the South could make sense geographically, but certainly not politically.

Why not? If Mississippi suddenly started voting for liberal Democrats, it would cease to be part of the South?

Yes.

Well clearly I underestimated the level of stupidity of your argument.

Political regions are not geographical regions. MD gave 60% of its votes to Obama, while WV gave him only 46%. Some exceptions can be accepted, but putting MD in the South is just stupid.

By your ridiculous non-logic, the South completely ceased to exist decades ago, since voting Democratic was one of the most ingrained features of Southern culture for nearly a century.

It changed : the trend was common to the whole South (and not to MD and DE) so my "ridiculous non-logic" is confirmed.

No offense, but this is seriously one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard on this forum. A state does not cease to exist in its own region because of its voting patterns. 

MD, DE, VA, FL, and NC all voted Democratic, and all are part of the South.

Not because of the voting patterns, you moron.

Excuse me? Who was talking to you anyway?

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Completely different culture? Please stop taking these bullsh**t 'facts' out of your ass. MD and DE are little different from many areas along the coastal Southeast.

MD and DE in the Northeast? LOL

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No, they are considered part of the South because they are part of the South.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Including MD, DE and DC in the South could make sense geographically, but certainly not politically.

Why not? If Mississippi suddenly started voting for liberal Democrats, it would cease to be part of the South?

Yes.

Well clearly I underestimated the level of stupidity of your argument.

Political regions are not geographical regions. MD gave 60% of its votes to Obama, while WV gave him only 46%. Some exceptions can be accepted, but putting MD in the South is just stupid.

By your ridiculous non-logic, the South completely ceased to exist decades ago, since voting Democratic was one of the most ingrained features of Southern culture for nearly a century.

It changed : the trend was common to the whole South (and not to MD and DE) so my "ridiculous non-logic" is confirmed.

No offense, but this is seriously one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard on this forum. A state does not cease to exist in its own region because of its voting patterns. 

MD, DE, VA, FL, and NC all voted Democratic, and all are part of the South.

Not because of the voting patterns, you moron.

Excuse me? Who was talking to you anyway?

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Completely different culture? Please stop taking these bullsh**t 'facts' out of your ass. MD and DE are little different from many areas along the coastal Southeast.

MD and DE in the Northeast? LOL

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No, they are considered part of the South because they are part of the South.

'Who was talking to you anyway?' This quote proves you  are obviously a child, or at least someone with the mentality of a first grader.

No, MD and DE are a LOT different than the states below them, but then again you would have to know something about their culture, or have a completely developed brain, and you clearly have neither. 90% of people will tell you that MD & DE belong in the Northeast, rather than the south.

They were considered part of the south because of their culture, but their culture has changed significantly. Therefore, if they were geographically southern, it would make sense to continue grouping them in with the south. However, they are NOT geographically southern, and it is absurd state that they are. This is why most people will refer to WV and KY as the 'south' even though they are geographically not.

Oh I see, you just repeated yourself. After your childish insults, your credibility is already in the toilet, so my apologies if I don't take your word for it (or anything).

MD and DE are part of the South. They always have been, and always will be, unless they decide to pick up and move the whole state borders northward.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Including MD, DE and DC in the South could make sense geographically, but certainly not politically.

Why not? If Mississippi suddenly started voting for liberal Democrats, it would cease to be part of the South?

Yes.

Well clearly I underestimated the level of stupidity of your argument.

Political regions are not geographical regions. MD gave 60% of its votes to Obama, while WV gave him only 46%. Some exceptions can be accepted, but putting MD in the South is just stupid.

By your ridiculous non-logic, the South completely ceased to exist decades ago, since voting Democratic was one of the most ingrained features of Southern culture for nearly a century.

It changed : the trend was common to the whole South (and not to MD and DE) so my "ridiculous non-logic" is confirmed.

No offense, but this is seriously one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard on this forum. A state does not cease to exist in its own region because of its voting patterns. 

MD, DE, VA, FL, and NC all voted Democratic, and all are part of the South.

Not because of the voting patterns, you moron.

Excuse me? Who was talking to you anyway?

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Completely different culture? Please stop taking these bullsh**t 'facts' out of your ass. MD and DE are little different from many areas along the coastal Southeast.

MD and DE in the Northeast? LOL

You must be logged in to read this quote.

No, they are considered part of the South because they are part of the South.

'Who was talking to you anyway?' This quote proves you  are obviously a child, or at least someone with the mentality of a first grader.

No, MD and DE are a LOT different than the states below them, but then again you would have to know something about their culture, or have a completely developed brain, and you clearly have neither. 90% of people will tell you that MD & DE belong in the Northeast, rather than the south.

They were considered part of the south because of their culture, but their culture has changed significantly. Therefore, if they were geographically southern, it would make sense to continue grouping them in with the south. However, they are NOT geographically southern, and it is absurd state that they are. This is why most people will refer to WV and KY as the 'south' even though they are geographically not.

Oh I see, you just repeated yourself. After your childish insults, your credibility is already in the toilet, so my apologies if I don't take your word for it (or anything).

MD and DE are part of the South. They always have been, and always will be, unless they decide to pick up and move the whole state borders northward.

They were not childish insults, they were honest observations. No, they are not part of the south and you repeating the claim does not give it any more validity.

My claim is backed up by history and reality. Yours...your opinion.

While you may be love in with yourself and your opinions, no one else is.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

A clearer picture:

Those laws are not in force today. Marlyand and Delaware are not today Southern.

Those laws are not in force anywhere today. The fact of the matter is that Maryland and Delaware are historically Southern states.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

A clearer picture:

Those laws are not in force today. Marlyand and Delaware are not today Southern.

Those laws are not in force anywhere today. The fact of the matter is that Maryland and Delaware are historically Southern states.

Yes, but the concept you can't seem to grasp is that things change, and them being 'historically southern' has nothing to do with them today. They are neither geographically or culturally southern.

Listen, Maryland and Delaware are the South by pretty much any rational standard. But I don't care about this nonsensical discussion anymore. It is inconsequential. If you don't want to believe MD and DE are southern, then don't.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

A clearer picture:

Those laws are not in force today. Marlyand and Delaware are not today Southern.

Those laws are not in force anywhere today. The fact of the matter is that Maryland and Delaware are historically Southern states.

Yes, but the concept you can't seem to grasp is that things change, and them being 'historically southern' has nothing to do with them today. They are neither geographically or culturally southern.

Listen, Maryland and Delaware are the South by pretty much any rational standard. But I don't care about this nonsensical discussion anymore. It is inconsequential. If you don't want to believe MD and DE are southern, then don't.

Unlike the other southern states, they are reliably Democratic. Maybe I wouldn't go so far as to say they are in the Northeast, but they are not really similar to Southern culture anymore. What would you say unifies them with the South today (not historically)?

I'd say they are for the most part comparable to parts of urban/suburban Virginia and the Carolinas.

Also don't forget they are very small states, so urban areas with large minority populations dominate their politics. Baltimore, MD is as black as Atlanta, GA and Richmond, VA, and it votes about as lopsidedly in favor of the Democrats as they do. And there's no large rural area attached to counter-balance that.

Look at the county maps. Outside the cities, Maryland and Delaware are voting about as Republican as rural South Carolina and Georgia are. The majority of counties in Maryland are still voting GOP. In Delaware, Bush twice carried two out of three counties, and even with Joe Biden on the ticket, John McCain still carried southern Delaware.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

A clearer picture:

Those laws are not in force today. Marlyand and Delaware are not today Southern.

Those laws are not in force anywhere today. The fact of the matter is that Maryland and Delaware are historically Southern states.

Yes, but the concept you can't seem to grasp is that things change, and them being 'historically southern' has nothing to do with them today. They are neither geographically or culturally southern.

Listen, Maryland and Delaware are the South by pretty much any rational standard. But I don't care about this nonsensical discussion anymore. It is inconsequential. If you don't want to believe MD and DE are southern, then don't.

Unlike the other southern states, they are reliably Democratic. Maybe I wouldn't go so far as to say they are in the Northeast, but they are not really similar to Southern culture anymore. What would you say unifies them with the South today (not historically)?

I'd say they are for the most part comparable to parts of urban/suburban Virginia and the Carolinas.

Also don't forget they are very small states, so urban areas with large minority populations dominate their politics. Baltimore, MD is as black as Atlanta, GA and Richmond, VA, and it votes about as lopsidedly in favor of the Democrats as they do. And there's no large rural area attached to counter-balance that.

Look at the county maps. Outside the cities, Maryland and Delaware are voting about as Republican as rural South Carolina and Georgia are. The majority of counties in Maryland are still voting GOP. In Delaware, Bush twice carried two out of three counties, and even with Joe Biden on the ticket, John McCain still carried southern Delaware.

You base your assumptions off of election results, rather than any research or understanding of their culture. This makes perfect sense for someone with as little intelligence as yourself, and explains your idiotic statements as well.

Shadow, I told you nicely to stop the juvenile trolling and insults. Now it's getting really annoying.

You haven't presented one iota of evidence to support your wrong opinions. As I said, I'm not interested in arguing with a self-absorbed dumbass.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Republicans can't keep losing the North.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

How do we get or create that map? I want to do it. Also, FL and AZ should be 29 and 12. New York should be 29. FL will be passing up NY in a year.

Your information is indeed outdated.

This is the most recent projection of the 2012 reapportionment:

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I'm still ok with that map. Republicans gain votes in NC, SC, GA, FL, AZ, UT, 3 in TX, and possibly one in NV. Notice how ppl are moving TO the redder states.

But in many cases, they're making those states less red...