Rumours!

[Alexander Hamilton]

Was there some deleted post about me?

I am happy to come clean about anything I may have said in our discussion. I think it may have been about PiT promising to keep me on as SoFA if he wins. I am obviously going to vote for someone who wants to keep me on a SoFA, it is one of my bigger issues. There was some rumours that had he won the last election, I would've been toast.

Not that I have anything against the ticket (well, I guess I do now), as I consider Smid to be a friend of mine, and would have had no problem voting for a ticket with him on it.

Sewer Socialist posted a PM involving you contradicting what you started this thread saying.

Our discussions were not about an "alliance" per se, so what I said still stands true.

No, just shared interests.

[Alexander Hamilton]

To be quite frank, I am scared who to vote for now. I was planning on waiting until the end and second preferencing who ever was going to win. I am unlikely to do that now, I guess.

In that case you should join the DA.

[Alexander Hamilton]

To be quite frank, I am scared who to vote for now. I was planning on waiting until the end and second preferencing who ever was going to win. I am unlikely to do that now, I guess.

In that case you should join the DA.

Why?

Some members have admitted to siding with whoever they think will win because it gives them more power.

[Alexander Hamilton]

To be quite frank, I am scared who to vote for now. I was planning on waiting until the end and second preferencing who ever was going to win. I am unlikely to do that now, I guess.

In that case you should join the DA.

Why?

Some members have admitted to siding with whoever they think will win because it gives them more power.

Who? When? Where?

Do I have permission to post your PM?

[Alexander Hamilton]

To be quite frank, I am scared who to vote for now. I was planning on waiting until the end and second preferencing who ever was going to win. I am unlikely to do that now, I guess.

In that case you should join the DA.

Why?

Some members have admitted to siding with whoever they think will win because it gives them more power.

Who? When? Where?

Do I have permission to post your PM?

Bump, dont want this question to go unanswered

[Alexander Hamilton]

To be quite frank, I am scared who to vote for now. I was planning on waiting until the end and second preferencing who ever was going to win. I am unlikely to do that now, I guess.

In that case you should join the DA.

Why?

Some members have admitted to siding with whoever they think will win because it gives them more power.

Ham apparently you'll back anyone who can help you grow stronger as shown by this whole scandel.

No, you knew very well that I had a different candidate in mind for the NE Senate.

[Alexander Hamilton]

To be quite frank, I am scared who to vote for now. I was planning on waiting until the end and second preferencing who ever was going to win. I am unlikely to do that now, I guess.

In that case you should join the DA.

Why?

Some members have admitted to siding with whoever they think will win because it gives them more power.

Who? When? Where?

Do I have permission to post your PM?

Bump, dont want this question to go unanswered

Oh, missed that post. You'll have to send me the PM first so I know which one this is.

From your PM I believe I remember which PM of mine that is. If you can send me the entire thing, I would probably authorize its publishing. It was an analysis of Atlasia, rather than an actual description of DA policy and it pretty much discusses the power dynamics of the game as of a month ago or so.

So if you find it, send it to me and I'll give you the thumbs up or down.

the rest of it talked about pit/hw and wasnt relevant but i can try to find it

[Alexander Hamilton]

Was there some deleted post about me?

I am happy to come clean about anything I may have said in our discussion. I think it may have been about PiT promising to keep me on as SoFA if he wins. I am obviously going to vote for someone who wants to keep me on a SoFA, it is one of my bigger issues. There was some rumours that had he won the last election, I would've been toast.

Are you serious?

Good lord, the LNF can't hold my respect for more than five minutes it seems.

I don't appreciate the fact that you basically lied in your original post here, talking about how I was spreading "vicious rumors" that you apparently knew were true right from the get-go. I don't care what sort of spin you put on it, you knew what I was referring to, you simply tried to come out and made me look like a crazy person or something.

I must say I'm incredibly disappointed and downright disgusted with what I'm hearing from you guys lately. I thought you were all respectable folk who just had a different attitude on the game, now I find out you're apparently all self-interested jerks who have no guiding principles whatsoever.

"You guys"?

Gee, thanks.

Yeah, it's looking more and more like you were one of the only members in the LNF who actually supported the deal.

He was offered a different deal completely.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Was there some deleted post about me?

I am happy to come clean about anything I may have said in our discussion. I think it may have been about PiT promising to keep me on as SoFA if he wins. I am obviously going to vote for someone who wants to keep me on a SoFA, it is one of my bigger issues. There was some rumours that had he won the last election, I would've been toast.

Are you serious?

Good lord, the LNF can't hold my respect for more than five minutes it seems.

I don't appreciate the fact that you basically lied in your original post here, talking about how I was spreading "vicious rumors" that you apparently knew were true right from the get-go. I don't care what sort of spin you put on it, you knew what I was referring to, you simply tried to come out and made me look like a crazy person or something.

I must say I'm incredibly disappointed and downright disgusted with what I'm hearing from you guys lately. I thought you were all respectable folk who just had a different attitude on the game, now I find out you're apparently all self-interested jerks who have no guiding principles whatsoever.

"You guys"?

Gee, thanks.

Yeah, it's looking more and more like you were one of the only members in the LNF who actually supported the deal.

He was offered a different deal completely.

Well it appears he was more supportive of a PCP-LNF alliance of some kind than anyone else in the LNF was.

He was given more of an incentive.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Basically we came up with a strategy that would guarantee PiT victory, but Sewer Socialist leaked the PMs and Earl got scared Lief would dump him if he found out that he was working with the PCs so he started this topic which then proceeded to turn into a complete bitchfest with everyone just making sh**t up and making no sense then Rowan posted PMs that didn't really expose anything that was new. But now he's going to lose his Senate seat and I left the party like I said I would.

[Alexander Hamilton]

I think Hamilton's problem is that he thinks he can act like me, the problem is he doesn't have a support group that will vote for him except for his zombie.  He basically destroyed his chances at a senate seat

It seems your own Presidential nominee didn't support you, nor your party chair. I think you are the one with less chances.

[Alexander Hamilton]

I think Hamilton's problem is that he thinks he can act like me, the problem is he doesn't have a support group that will vote for him except for his zombie.  He basically destroyed his chances at a senate seat

It seems your own Presidential nominee didn't support you, nor your party chair. I think you are the one with less chances.

Once your zombies are gone, you are toast.  You have 0 actual support.  BTW, Duke supported me 100% and PiT, while his actions were reprehensible, kept me updated the whole time

Actually I do have support. And PiT's actions weren't reprehensible at all.

[Alexander Hamilton]

I shall mention most of the details Earl leaves out, and really set the cat among the pigeons:

A shady but tempting deal offer, ostensibly from part of the RPP, to win our second preferences in exchange for giving Dwtl the shaft in the northeast, really exists.

While LNFer reactions vary from "just no" through "not enough" through "they ought to be saying this in public, not behind closed doors" to "fine with me if genuine. How can we be sure of that though?", it seems a consensus not to take the offer was emerging.
But know we also sort of wonder how much Marokai knows and who in the RPP(?) he knows it from.

Forgive me if I choose not to read all near 20 pages of posts before responding, but:

The PCP I can understand taking this step politically. Regardless of whether a JCP or LNF member is elected they would face a similar left leaning vote, and the LNF would not be able to get their most (obstensiably) Marxist agenda passed regardless. So if it maximizes their vote vs. the aggregate JCP LNF senate makeup, then they come out ahead. (I'll leave others to judge the distastefulness of throwing any of their own party members under the bus as part of the deal).

But I'm disappointed in the LNF--or at least those members who seriously considered the deal. Yes, I know the LNF supposedly considers the JCP "bourgeoisie" liberals and little to no better than the "reactionary" PCP. (See, I read your convention and campaign posts) ;-)  But in reality we all know---or at least should know---there is a marked difference in the nature of legislation passed by a PCP led Senate as opposed to one with a progressive majority (or at least plurality).

Yes, I know its all a game in an election sim, but for whatever extent principles matter in this game it sounds like a number of the LNF were willing to chuck those for short-term political gain. If there have been negotiations behind the scenes with the LNF and JCP of which I'm unaware, I apologize for the error. But otherwise the LNF should've considered working with the JCP first. No, the LNF is in no way beholden to the JCP, nor vice-versa. But we're a lot closer natural allies on the issues and goals for Atlasia than the PCP. But, again, for short term political gains it sounds like many in the LNF were willing to sell out to the very "capitalist running dogs" their party supposedly opposes rather than work with fellow progressives.

This is the problem with the left in a nutshell.

You don't understand us as an organization, do you?

[Alexander Hamilton]

I shall mention most of the details Earl leaves out, and really set the cat among the pigeons:

A shady but tempting deal offer, ostensibly from part of the RPP, to win our second preferences in exchange for giving Dwtl the shaft in the northeast, really exists.

While LNFer reactions vary from "just no" through "not enough" through "they ought to be saying this in public, not behind closed doors" to "fine with me if genuine. How can we be sure of that though?", it seems a consensus not to take the offer was emerging.
But know we also sort of wonder how much Marokai knows and who in the RPP(?) he knows it from.

Forgive me if I choose not to read all near 20 pages of posts before responding, but:

The PCP I can understand taking this step politically. Regardless of whether a JCP or LNF member is elected they would face a similar left leaning vote, and the LNF would not be able to get their most (obstensiably) Marxist agenda passed regardless. So if it maximizes their vote vs. the aggregate JCP LNF senate makeup, then they come out ahead. (I'll leave others to judge the distastefulness of throwing any of their own party members under the bus as part of the deal).

But I'm disappointed in the LNF--or at least those members who seriously considered the deal. Yes, I know the LNF supposedly considers the JCP "bourgeoisie" liberals and little to no better than the "reactionary" PCP. (See, I read your convention and campaign posts) ;-)  But in reality we all know---or at least should know---there is a marked difference in the nature of legislation passed by a PCP led Senate as opposed to one with a progressive majority (or at least plurality).

Yes, I know its all a game in an election sim, but for whatever extent principles matter in this game it sounds like a number of the LNF were willing to chuck those for short-term political gain. If there have been negotiations behind the scenes with the LNF and JCP of which I'm unaware, I apologize for the error. But otherwise the LNF should've considered working with the JCP first. No, the LNF is in no way beholden to the JCP, nor vice-versa. But we're a lot closer natural allies on the issues and goals for Atlasia than the PCP. But, again, for short term political gains it sounds like many in the LNF were willing to sell out to the very "capitalist running dogs" their party supposedly opposes rather than work with fellow progressives.

This is the problem with the left in a nutshell.

Quite a good and mature post, Badger. Something I think deserves being read.

And as for the last sentence, that's something I've been saying for awhile now.

An even more "united left" will only cause any kind of right to fall further into irrelevance, making this game essentially useless. It's one of the main reasons I never could leave my former party when I should have.

[Alexander Hamilton]

I think Hamilton's problem is that he thinks he can act like me, the problem is he doesn't have a support group that will vote for him except for his zombie.  He basically destroyed his chances at a senate seat

It seems your own Presidential nominee didn't support you, nor your party chair. I think you are the one with less chances.

Everyone say hello to Soon-To-Be-Senate-Loser DWDL

OMG I have to wait until Decemeber, you have to wait forever

Kalwejt would beat you by a larger margin than Fritz

[Alexander Hamilton]

Hamilton leave your delusions for somewhere else, btw I heavily outperformed what everyone thought I would against Fritz FWIW

No you didn't. Fritz certainly had more potential with the voters who weren't present than you did.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Ah yes, keep attacking DWTL ad nauseum, the LNF will lop it all up.

Keep spinning everything to the point where it is more humorous and completely irrational and unbelievable.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Hamilton leave your delusions for somewhere else, btw I heavily outperformed what everyone thought I would against Fritz FWIW

No you didn't. Fritz certainly had more potential with the voters who weren't present than you did.

Alright, I defended you on this before, but now I see no reason to.  You weren't there, you don't know what you are talking about

The voting booth hasn't been deleted.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Hamilton leave your delusions for somewhere else, btw I heavily outperformed what everyone thought I would against Fritz FWIW

No you didn't. Fritz certainly had more potential with the voters who weren't present than you did.

Alright, I defended you on this before, but now I see no reason to.  You weren't there, you don't know what you are talking about

He is just mad because we mad him leave the party DWTL. He isn't going far.

I had already announced my intentions to leave, and I am the one who told tmth to open the booth and vote aye. I even voted aye. There is documentation of all of this, including me telling Earl I would join the LNF once the scandal was out.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Hamilton leave your delusions for somewhere else, btw I heavily outperformed what everyone thought I would against Fritz FWIW

No you didn't. Fritz certainly had more potential with the voters who weren't present than you did.

Alright, I defended you on this before, but now I see no reason to.  You weren't there, you don't know what you are talking about

He is just mad because we mad him leave the party DWTL. He isn't going far.

I had already announced my intentions to leave, and I am the one who told tmth to open the booth and vote aye. I even voted aye. There is documentation of all of this, including me telling Earl I would join the LNF once the scandal was out.

So you planned all this to destroy the PCP? What a scum bag.

Read the New Register Thread, posts from a few days before this thread was created.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Hamilton leave your delusions for somewhere else, btw I heavily outperformed what everyone thought I would against Fritz FWIW

No you didn't. Fritz certainly had more potential with the voters who weren't present than you did.

Alright, I defended you on this before, but now I see no reason to.  You weren't there, you don't know what you are talking about

He is just mad because we mad him leave the party DWTL. He isn't going far.

I thought hamilton left on his own. I didn't know he was kicked out.

     Correct, he did leave on his own. At the same time, he would have been kicked out had he stayed.

Actually I could have made the vote go in my favor. But it was only a good excuse for me to finally leave, something I probably should have done when you and Tmth left had you guys beens erious about it.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Hamilton leave your delusions for somewhere else, btw I heavily outperformed what everyone thought I would against Fritz FWIW

No you didn't. Fritz certainly had more potential with the voters who weren't present than you did.

Alright, I defended you on this before, but now I see no reason to.  You weren't there, you don't know what you are talking about

He is just mad because we mad him leave the party DWTL. He isn't going far.

I thought hamilton left on his own. I didn't know he was kicked out.

     Correct, he did leave on his own. At the same time, he would have been kicked out had he stayed.

Actually I could have made the vote go in my favor. But it was only a good excuse for me to finally leave, something I probably should have done when you and Tmth left had you guys beens erious about it.

No you couldn't have you loser!

I easily could have.

[Alexander Hamilton]

So you planned this whole thing to screw the PCP over! You used PiT and cost us the election. You little ********! You are nothing but human trash! Human trash.

No. That is not true. If anything, PiT used me. Not that I care. I just planned to leave the party after PiT won, which is what my goal was ensuring. You obviously have been listening to the wrong people.

[Alexander Hamilton]

No nachos for you, Conor!

Nachos for me?

And what have you done to earn them?

I'm an ally. I am friends with Sewer Socialist. I'm loony. I'm a fellow Northeasterner. I'm second preferencing AL and encouraging others to do so.

Join the dark side then. You know you want to!

I have to wait for the scandal to blow over.

details!

That's what I want to know!

You talked about a scandal on the 16th. You planned it.

Have you not read the PMs?

[Alexander Hamilton]

No nachos for you, Conor!

Nachos for me?

And what have you done to earn them?

I'm an ally. I am friends with Sewer Socialist. I'm loony. I'm a fellow Northeasterner. I'm second preferencing AL and encouraging others to do so.

Join the dark side then. You know you want to!

I have to wait for the scandal to blow over.

details!

That's what I want to know!

You talked about a scandal on the 16th. You planned it.

Have you not read the PMs?

But how did you know it was going to come out?

Because I knew there was a leak.

Look, if you haven't read The 48 Laws of Power, it will be hard to understand my thinking.