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« Reply #675 on: August 05, 2011, 03:22:09 PM »

Warning: New Jersey insults and Germans making Holocaust jokes up ahead.  You've been warned.

June 19th, 1975
The Jailbird Rock Club
Santa Monica, California:


Winetrap Fox guitarist Randy Rhoads is sitting in a booth with Scott Westman and his friends Carl Herschelwitz, Michael T. Ramone, Jerry Douschle, and Steffan L. Dietrich.  It was very rare for Scott to travel anywhere without a female companion, but this trip warranted an exception.  Sometimes even Scott Westman had t have some time down time with the guys.  Especially when it comes time to visit some of the burgeoning metal scenes kicking up along the California Coast.
Rhoads: So, how is the state of Montana?
Ramone laughs.
Ramone: It's damn cold, even in the summertime.
Rhoads laughs.
Douschle: No it's not you damn Jersey pussy.  Then again, if I were from Hell I would find this climate to be too cold.
Ramone: That's real tough coming from you, Douche Hill.
Everybody laughs.
Dietrich: (German accent) Ze Vether is very enjoyable zis time of year.
Randy laughs
Dietrich: Vhat's so funny?  Never heard someone speak vith ze accent before?
Westman: Right on Herr Stephanie.  (mock German accent) Perhaps you should order some Herrbinger to relieve your zirst?
Dietrich: Sure, I'll order one as soon as zu get your Cosmopolitan, Captain McFaggund.
Everybody laughs at Scott.
Dietrich: Can zu feel za burn?
Westman: I don't know, you would be the expert on that, vuldn't zu?
Dietrich: Vhats the differunce betveen Scott Westman and an oven full of Jews?
Everybody is silent.
Dietrich: Das Jews aren't flaming!
Everybody has an uncomfortable laugh.
Westman: You think you're f***ing funny, don't you asshole?
Douschle: So Scott, was he wearing a dress during the inter-
Westman:-still better looking than anything you've tapped, Douschle.
Rhoad is laughing.  The waiter comes by.
Waiter: Can I get you guys anything to drink?
Dietrich: Yes, I'll have ze Shiner Bock.
Westman: I'll have a Long Island Ice Tea.
Douschle: I'll have a Miller Lite
Westman, Dietrich, Ramone, Herschelwitz: f****t!
Ramone: I'll have an Orange Shock Top
Herschelwitz: I'll have a vodka and tonic.
Rhoads: I'll have a water with lime.
Everybody is giving Rhoads a weird look.
Rhoads: What?
Herschelwitz: You're a f***ing guitarist in a metal band and you drink water with a f***ing lime?
Ramone: What the f*** kid?
Douschle: What the f*** dude?
Westman: What the f*** man?
Dietrich: Vhat ze f***?
Rhoads laughs before putting a cigarette in his mouth and lighting it.  He takes a puff before tapping it into the ashtray.
Rhoads: Well, I'm not a huge fan of the excess.  I'm just a guitarist.  All I ever want to do man is just play this guitar.  I don't care about the parties, the excess, the bad habits.  That's just not me.
Westman: I mean seriously kid, jesus.  You don't even f***ing swear man.  You're like the rated G rockstar or something.  I bet you don't even nail groupies, do ya boy?
Rhoads laughs.
Rhoads: Well see I'm going out with this girl Melissa right now who is in like the tenth grade at the local high school.  It's a pretty steady thing right now.  I buy her flowers and stuff.
Herschelwitz: Do you boff her?
Rhoads: What?
Herschelwitz: You heard me kid!  Do you get to have sexual relations with her?
Rhoads looks offended.
Rhoads: No!  Her father would kill me!  Besides, I would feel real guilty about it.  Here's a picture of her.
He starts handing it around the table.  It stops at Dietrich who looks up almost awestruck.
Dietrich: How old is ze?
Rhoads: She's fifteen.  We've been dating for two months.
Dietrich gasps in shock.
Dietrich: Vait a minute kid, you telling me you are lucky enough to get a hot ass fifteen year old high school to date you und you haven't done ze deed?  Vhat ze f***?
Rhoads: It's just something I'm not interested in doing.
Ramone: Whoa!  White knight alert!
Westman: Speaking of which, have you heard White Knight's latest record Randy?
Rhoads: Nope, I'm not really that much of a fan to be honest.  It's too progressive sounding.  It's better than Jethro Tull though.  With those flutes and that sludgy guitar sound.....eck.
Herschelwitz: Hey come on now!  Tony Iommi is a pretty good guitarist and gives an interesting sound to the band!  Otherwise it would just be flutes and other medieval sounding sh*t.
Rhoads: Meh I guess.  I always thought it sounded a little slow though.  I'm really more of a fan of Deep Purple, the Flying Hats, and the Judas Engine to be honest.
Westman: To each their own I guess.  You know you aren't so bad yourself.
Rhoads: Well, I've been playing since I was four years old, but I don't think I would consider myself anywhere near guys like Blackmore.
Westman: You crazy man?  You are easily one of the best guitarists I've ever heard.  Period.  You're at least better than that Dutch boy band we heard the other day, who were they called?
Douschle: Oh uh....Van Halen I believe?
Westman: Yeah, Van Halen.  That Eddie guy sounds like some idiot drum player who switched over to guitar.
Rhoads laughs.
Rhoads: Actually, yeah he kind of is.
Ramone: Yeah, that band really sucked.  Singer was kind of great, but everybody else just sucked.
Dietrich: Yeah, zair bass player sucked major ass!  Vhat vas his name again?
Rhoads: Oh yeah, he's some guy named Johnny Goodman.  He's a real nobody.  They would've been a little better off if they got somebody like Michael Anthony, the bassist for LA's Finest, to do bass and backing vocals for them.
Ramone: Yeah, they really suck.  I don't see them really going anywhere.  You though, you have a future.  You just need to ditch these losers.  What the hell kind of name is Winetrap Fox anyway?
Rhoads: Meh, they are really good and cool guys.  I can't just leave them you know.  We already got a contract in Japan to make a few albums, so I'll see what happens there.
Westman: Seriously though kid, you would have a lot of success if you just sent in a demo tape to some of the big record companies.  You never know when a group like White Knight might need a new guitarist or something.
Rhoads: Ha!  We'll see.

Three years later Randy Rhoads would be hired as White Knight's new lead guitarist after playing a thirty seconds of his rehearsal guitar piece for the band's vocalist Johnny Osbourne and the bassist Jerry Holmes.
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« Reply #676 on: August 05, 2011, 05:46:36 PM »

October 23rd, 1984
CNN News:


In other news, Montana Democratic Gubernatorial candidate Scott Westman and his wife Caroline welcomed a new addition into their family this morning at 6:41 AM.  Caroline Westman gave birth to a 7 lbs. and 8 oz. baby boy.  The couple has chosen the name Peter for the newborn boy.  In other news, the recent anthrax scare has been downgraded in New York City after it was found out that it was a prank call that initiated the state level hysteria.
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« Reply #677 on: August 05, 2011, 10:57:06 PM »

October 28th, 1984
Third Gubernatorial Debate
Abortion Debate Excerpt:

Moderator:
Welcome to the Third 1984 Montana Gubernatorial Debate.  Today we will be discussing social issues, namely the state's laws regarding marijuana, homosexual relations, affirmative action, and the extremely controversial abortion debate that has been going on in this state for the better part of the last decade.  Due to the magnitude and importance of the abortion issue, a significant portion of this debate will revolve around the issue of legalization versus illegalization.  So let's begin:
Unlike many other issues the abortion issue isn't a partisan issue.  In fact among Montana Democratic and Republican Senate and House members the split between those who are pro-choice and those that are pro-life is fifty-fifty.  Currently on books in Montana On-Demand abortions are legal.  A woman can get an abortion for virtually any reason, though there are restrictions.  Notably so-called "partial-birth abortions" are illegal and public health funds aren't allowed to be used for abortions per the Fontaine Amendment.  Further, with the exception of life of the mother, abortions cannot be performed on a Sunday or Saturday.  Nationwide the situation is a bit different, as 31 states now have laws banning abortion, with emergency exceptions, on the books.  Only a few states, mostly in the Mountain West, have on-demand abortion legalization.  These states are: Arizona, Nevada, Washington, Montana, Wyoming, Texas, and the District of Colombia.  In a number of other states abortion is legal in certain situations, namely for the health of the mother, in the case of rape, in the case of incest, or likely damaged fetus.  Support for abortion is strongest in the American West and weakest in the Rust Belt and Central Plains.  In today's debate most of the questions I shall ask revolve around the most recent Montana House debate over the Horrigan Bill, a bill introduced by Democratic House member Frank Horrigan of Bozeman.  The bill, which would undo the Geary Bill of 1979 which originally legalized on-demand abortions.  In it's place there would be an abortion ban in all cases except in cases of danger to the health of the mother or a likely damaged fetus.  There has been very lively debate over the implications of the bill due to almost split cultural divide in Montana society over this issue.  Over the past few years the pro-life lobby has gained momentum, winning abortion bans in numerous states.  Over the past month there has been a divide in feminist ranks, with a lot of feminists protesting the strength of the pro-life lobby in Montana while there have been a few pro-life feminists who have praised it.
It is important to note that we have here three candidates who have all been vocal to an extent about the issue of abortion.  Governor Peters has consistently said that if the Horrigan Bill or the possible Senate version of it, were to come across his desk he would veto it.  As a United States Senator Scott Westman praised the original passage of the Geary Bill, calling it a "great moment for the pro-choice movement" and later as US Senator said he would support allowing abortions to be covered by the Public Healthcare System.  During his failed re-election bid two years ago Senator Westman strongly defended abortion rights for women against the pro-life position of now Conservative US Senator David Walters.  Over the past few months the former Senator has been mostly silent on the issue of abortion, except in his campaign brochure that said the Westman/D'Israeli ticket supports "the law as it stands".  Michael Oglesby, the Conservative in the race, has said that he would support any ban on abortion that makes it's way past the legislature and would sign it "with a silvery grin on my face."  All three men, with records of strong passion on this one issue, one debate.  It begins right here, right now.
Let me begin by asking the incumbent Governor his take.
Peters: Well, I would obviously veto the bill if it came across my desk.  No exceptions.
Mod: Governor, what if the Legislature overrides your veto?  What then?
Peters: Well, I would respect their decision but then I would take the decision to the State Supreme Court.  I will defend the right to choose for the women of this state, even against my own party.  It is a cause worth defending.
Oglesby: So you would willingly oppose not only the majority of the people of this state but try to overturn legislative action by any means possible?
Peters: Sometimes Michael, defending minority rights is more important than obeying majority rule.  This is one of those cases.
Oglesby: What I see this is as is the wholesale legalization of murder.  That is something I wholeheartedly oppose, unlike you and I'm guessing the former US Senator.  Who I might add has been oddly quiet over this issue as of late.
Mod: So Mr. Oglesby, how do you feel about the Horrigan Bill?
Oglesby: Honestly I don't feel it goes near far enough in it's scope.  There are a lot of exceptions that could be made under such a provision as "health of the mother".  And "weak fetuses?"  I think I would've rather have been a weak unborn child than a dead unborn child myself!  I would prefer an abortion ban for any reason short of to save the life of the mother.  That is it.  However, if this is the best bill we can get through the Legislature I would happily sign it.  And if it fails to pass then we'll just try another day.  There are no off-seasons in the battle for life.
Peters: I don't know why Mr. Oglesby is so insistent about denying women their rights, but if it's his desire to lead his insurgent rag tag team of reactionaries to doom, then so be it.
Oglesby: You know Richie the people have had enough of the elitist rule of you and your far removed advisors.  You have led this state down the toilet in almost every way possible.  It's a miracle you are even polling in the teens now days.  The people have spoken and you have no chance, NO CHANCE of getting back into office.  You might as well just accept your fate.  This election will be a reaction against your failed polices.
The audience applauds.
Oglesby: You see, at least Mr. Westman here, at least he has shown these people a good amount of respect.  At least he goes out of his way to make the people of Montana feel special.  And at least he addresses me like I'm an equal of his.  Your past four years have been nothing more than looking down on everybody, whether that would be your debate opponents or the people of Montana.
Westman: Damn!
Audience laughs.
Oglesby: He still needs to master the English language though.
Audience laughs.
Mod: Mister Westman?!
Westman: Oh yes sorry.  I was just a little dazed......from the ownage I just witnessed.  Please.......proceed.
Mod: Okay, over the past few months you and your campaign have been oddly quiet on this issue.  This is perplexing because the last time you ran for political office you were very vocal in your support of on demand abortion rights for women.  You even went as far as to say you would like to get rid of the Fontaine Amendment which prohibits public healthcare funds from being used for the abortion procedure.  Out of all the social issues in this election, with the possible exception of gun rights, this is the most important issue for many Montanans.  Yet you have been very silent on it, despite it's relevance.  What we would like to know exactly is.........what is your position on all of this?
Westman: On all of what?
Mod: You know the most recent abortion debate.
Westman: Oh right.  Well I'm not really sure to be honest.
The auditorium gets oddly quiet.  The moderator looks perplexed.
Mod: I'm sorry, what??
Westman: I'm not really sure okay?  There are some stuff I know now about the matter that I wish I knew earlier.  It's hard to make a really informed decision on an issue that I'm unsure about.
The moderator raises an eyebrow, this is most interesting.
Mod: Right.  Any responses?
Oglesby: None, Mister Westman's silence speaks a thousand words............

Michael Oglesby's words would prove to be prophetic.
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« Reply #678 on: August 06, 2011, 09:52:45 AM »

Third Gubernatorial Debate Cont.:

Mod:
Onto our next topic: Marijuana legalization.  For the past two decades Montana has been the forefront of the marijuana legalization movement.  A decade ago in 1974 Governor Schumacher signed into legislation a bill that decriminalized marijuana usage.  What that meant was that the priority of marijuana arrests and seizures would be a bottom priority for police.  Ironically, the bill ended up resulting in a record number of arrests in the following six years as marijuana practitioners got more bold and started smoking in public places.  Believing that the high rates of drug related incarcerations were due to the government "emboldening radical drug dealers" Governor Peters signed into law a bill that reversed the decriminalization of marijuana, believing that if marijuana arrests become a priority for state policemen it would deter marijuana usage.  The results so far have been mixed.  In most of the state marijuana arrests are down.  However, Montana still remains the top marijuana producing state in the nation as well as a vital place in the north for the Pan-Canadian Drug Highway.  What would you do in regards to the marijuana question?  Senator?
Westman: I think the answer is quite simple: if the Drug Highway had to compete with cheaper legal goods it would fall upon itself.  I say legalize it and tax it, then you will see this so-called "drug problem" disappear!
Peters: I think the former US Senator, emphasis on "former" is speaking too much from personal bias.  It is no secret that Mister Westman has expressed a fond taste for marijuana clubs in Amsterdam and other places.  He just wants to legalize it so he and his advisors can have a nice puff or two while in meetings about his "fantastic" vision for making Montana "green".  It is fact that this administration has helped deter drug usage and has toned down a lot of the drug trade through this state.  The liberal media won't tell you that, just like they won't tell you that people like Westman almost always abuse their power once in office instead of use it responsibly.
Westman: This man is unfit to be in a political debate much less hold the office of Governor.  You sir make a mockery out of the process and have no respect for anybody unless they agree with you.  Why should I bother continue this futile exercise?
Oglesby: Please don't leave yet Mr. Westman just because Governor Peters is a tool.  However, he does make a good point about law enforcement.  No matter how much you may've enjoyed the few times you have smoked marijuana it is still a dangerous and addictive substance that needs to be controlled.  Sure, I don't think decriminalization would be too radical, but legalization is.  We just can't have kids smoking the dope outside our favorite bars and stuff, can we?
Westman: Alcohol is both more addictive and more dangerous than weed yet it is legal.  Explain that one, Mister Genius.

Mod: Onto our next topic is the issue of gay rights.  Currently the state of Montana has same sex unions that have all the rights and privileges of marriage.  However, many gay rights activists feel like it isn't enough and want the state government to fully consider their unions to be "marriage".  How would you gentlemen address this issue?
Peters: Well obviously it will never be enough for some people.  These gay "activists" already got everything they want.  They are already equal to straight people in almost every conceivable way in this state, but no it isn't enough for them.  They want to force everybody to recognize their unions as being "marriages".  To me that is taking activism a little too far.  I would put these people in their place and say "hey look guys, you already got your rights and privileges.  No need to force your definition of marriage down other peoples' throats."
Mod: Mister Oglesby?
Oglesby: You know for once I agree with the Governor on an issue.  The gay activist lobby is one of the most egomaniacal movements out there and it's stances like this that prove it.  They are already EQUAL to heterosexuals!  But no, it's not enough for them is it?  They got to take that victory and force the government to recognize that they have triumphed over the straight hierarchy by forcing people at gunpoint to recognize that gay people have "marriages" instead of "civil unions".  They have evolved to be more than any other special interest groups, they have become above the law.  Mark my words a few years from now you won't even be able to make sermons about the immorality of homosexuality without being sued by some gay "rights" organization for being hateful.
Westman laughs, loudly.
Mod: Mr. Westman?
Westman: These two gentlemen obviously don't understand the crux of the gay rights movement: to become equal with heterosexuals.  That means completely equal.  Not just partially, not just half equal, completely equal.  Right now the state government gives out official marriage licenses to straight couples who get "married".  What do gay couples get?  Oh that's right, they get a "civil union" license, which is like getting a Driver's Permit instead of a "Driver's License".  I mean what better way to say "Welcome to Loserville" than by giving someone a "civil union's license"?  That's like ordering a McBurger and only getting a ZooBurger!  It's a ripoff!
Peters: That's not true and you know Westman.  Gays already are pretty much equal to straight people.  In law and in society.
Westman laughs again.
Westman: No they are not!  Everywhere they go with their partner people are always going to judge them!  Besides, you forget that transsexual individuals also fall under the umbrella term "gay rights".  Let me tell you gentlemen firsthand that often times you can't tell a transsexual person from a normal person.  Trust me, I know.
Audience laughs.  Westman chuckles.
Westman: All these transsexual individuals want in life is to be known for the person they truly are inside.  They are just as much of a woman, or a man, as your wife or husband is to you.  By opposing things like marriage equality you aren't only calling them different, you are calling their spouse "different".  Different for what?  For falling for the man or woman that is trapped inside!?  How dare you gentlemen, HOW DARE YOU!?
Loud boos from one portion of audience, loud cheers from another portion.
Mod: Well this is obviously an emotional issue for Mister Westman.  I believe we should move on before more unnecessary feelings are revealed.
Westman gets up and yanks the mic from the stand in front of him.
Westman: You damn right this is an emotional issue for me Steven.
Mod: Mister Westman, PLEASE SIT DOWN!
Westman: No I won't sit down!  I personally have experienced love with one of these targeted individuals.  It is a grave injustice to her that there are people in this nation, and in this state, who would make it hard for her and others to truly feel like they are one with us.
Mod: Mister Westman, if you do not stop now I will have you ejected from this debate by police!
Westman: You don't have the balls you coward!  Just like neither of these men have the balls for true equality!  THROW ME OUT YOU BASTARD!  YOU AIN'T GOT THE BALLS!
Mod: SECURITY!  THROW MISTER WESTMAN OUT!
Security comes on stage and grabs Westman by the arms.
Westman: Go ahead boys, I won't bite.
One of the security men punches Westman in the face.  The security men walk Westman out of the debate.
Mod: I'm sorry for the premature end to this debate.  As a result of Mister Westman's unacceptable behavior on the debate floor I have decided not only to end this debate now but to bar Westman from the fourth and final debate, an open forum debate.  Personally I don't think a man with his behavior should be anywhere near a political office, much less the governorship.  This proves why.

The episode between Westman and the moderator would go down in history.  Westman's emotional outburst towards the end would have a divided response among people.  There were quite a few who viewed it as "immature, rude, and such uncalled for language".  Others, however, thought it was "the bravest thing anyone's ever said".  The response was very divided.  Further, Westman's botched answer in the Abortion Debate left many confused as to what his official position was.  As a result Scott Westman's poll numbers would suffer:

Former US Senator Scott Westman (Democratic-Missoula)/Former State Senator Mendelik D'Israeli (Republican-Billings) 36.51%
Governor Richard Peters (Republican-Circle)/Lieutenant Governor Gerald Schweiker (Republican-Great Falls) 23.14%
CPA Michael Oglesby (Conservative-Flathead)/Dr. Julian Masters (Conservative-Glacier) 38.42%
Other/Undecided: 1.93%

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« Reply #679 on: August 06, 2011, 02:28:10 PM »
« Edited: August 06, 2011, 02:34:43 PM by Where's my bisquick? »

Montana Presidential Election Records:

In the post New Deal era the state of Montana has been one of the most Democratic states in the nation in presidential elections.  This was mostly due to the unique political climate of the Big Sky state compared to it's neighbors.  With it's large populations of Irish Catholics, Native Americans, a strong labor union presence, and the influence of centers of liberal culture like Missoula, Bozeman, Great Falls, White Fish, and Butte has made Montana what many political pundits called "the Massachusetts of the West".  The comparison of Massachusetts and Montana would ring very true, with both states voting Democratic in every election from 1932 to 1976.  In addition to it's status as a strong Democratic state Montana also has had some very strong third party performances.  Of note the Progressive Party, which was notable for running former Commerce Secretary Henry Wallace in 1948 nation wide, would gain ballot access in Montana from 1948-1956.  The Progressive Party's best performance would happen in 1952, when the party would win over 16% of the popular vote in the 1952 Election due to the unpopularity of President Dewey in Montana and Kefauver distancing himself (at the time) from the Civil Rights Movement.  By the late 1970's libertarianism had spread from Wyoming, Oregon, and Washington......changing the political leanings of Montana almost overnight it seems.  In eight years Montana would go from electing RFK in a landslide to backing Republican (and now widely disparaged) US Senator Beauregard D'Israeli in all three elections in 1980.

1948:
President Harry S. Truman (Democratic-Missouri)/Senator Alben Barkley (Democratic-Kentucky) 54.11%

Governor Thomas E. Dewey (Republican-New York)/Governor Earl Warren (Republican-California) 34.21%
Former Secretary of Commerce Henry Wallace (Progressive-Iowa)/US Senator Glen Taylor (Progressive-Idaho) 11.21%
Other: .47%

1952:
US Senator Estes Kefauver (Democratic-Tennessee)/General James Roosevelt (Democratic-California) 53.05%

President Thomas E. Dewey (Republican-New York)/Vice President Earl Warren (Republican-California) 30.45%
US Senator James E. Murray (Progressive-Montana)/US Senator Wayne Morse (Progressive-Oregon) 16.04%
Other: .46%

1956:
President Estes Kefauver (Democratic-Tennessee)/Vice President James Roosevelt (Democratic-California) 61.25%

Former Governor Harold Stassen (Republican-Minnesota)/Representative Hugh Scott (Republican-Pennsylvania) 36.12%%
Defense Lawyer Colm Lockheed (Progressive-Minnesota)/State Senator Michael J. Elvis (Progressive-Montana) 2.03%
Other: .6%

1960:
Vice President James Roosevelt (Democratic-California)/US Senator John F. Kennedy (Democratic-Massachusetts) 57.04%

US Senator Charles C. Percy (Republican-Illinois)/US Senator Thurston B. Morton (Republican-Kentucky) 41.98%
Other: .98%

1964:
US Senator Mike Monroney (Democratic-Oklahoma)/Former Governor John Burroughs (Democratic-New Mexico) 50.24%

President Thurston B. Morton (Republican-Kentucky)/US Senator Hiram Fong (Republican-Hawaii) 48.31%
Other: 1.45%

1968:
US Senator Robert F. Kennedy (Democratic-New York)/US Senator Frank Church (Democratic-Idaho) 49.46%

Governor George Romeny (Republican-Michigan)/US Senator George HW Bush (Republican-Connecticut) 40.51%
Governor George Wallace (American Independent-Alabama)/Actor John Wayne (American Independent-California) 7.12%
Other: 2.91%

1972:
President Robert F. Kennedy (Democratic-New York)/US Senator Ronald W. Reagan (Democratic-California) 68.22%

Governor Spiro Agnew (Republican-Maryland)/Former Governor James Rhodes (Republican-Ohio) 19.03%
State Secretary of Labor Michelle Frier (People's Party-Montana)/State Representative Derek Hayes (People's Party-North Dakota) 11.80%
Other: .95%
*Constitution Party didn't make the state ballot in 1972.
The People's Party, a national Social Democratic party, would run in a number of Pacific and Rocky Mountain West states in protest of President Kennedy's economic policies.  Due to the controversy surrounding the Republican ticket, the People's Party would end up getting the votes of a lot of disaffected Republicans who couldn't get themselves to vote for Kennedy.

1976
President Ronald W. Reagan (Democratic-California)/Vice President James "Jimmy" Carter (Democratic-Georgia) 50.10%

Former United Nations Ambassador Elliot Richardson (Republican-Massachusetts)/US Senator Robert Dole (Republican-Kansas) 46.78%
US Representative Thomas A. Jefferson (Constitution-Tennessee)/US Representative John G. Schmitz (Constitution-California) 2.12%
Other: 1%

1980
First Election:
US Senator Beauregard D'Israeli (Republican-Wyoming)/US Representative Jack Kemp (Republican-New York) 29.95%

Attorney Edward Clark (Classical Liberal-California)/US Senator Scott Westman (Classical Liberal-Montana) 29.32%
US Senator Walter Mondale (Democratic Farmer Labor-Minnesota)/Former US Senator Fred Harris (Democratic-Oklahoma) 22.81%
US Representative Philip Crane (Constitution-Illinois)/US Senator Jesse Helms (Constitution-North Carolina) 15.21%
Other: 2.71%

Second Election:
US Senator Beauregard D'Israeli (Republican-Wyoming)/US Representative Jack Kemp (Republican-New York) 35.68%

US Senator Walter Mondale (Democratic Farmer Labor-Minnesota)/Former US Senator Fred Harris (Democratic-Oklahoma) 33.41%
US Representative Philip Crane (Constitution-Illinois)/US Senator Jesse Helms (Constitution-North Carolina) 30.41%
Other: .5%

Third Election:
US Senator Beauregard D'Israeli (Republican-Wyoming)/US Representative Jack Kemp (Republican-New York) 49.11%

US Representative Philip Crane (Constitution-Illinois)/US Senator Jesse Helms (Constitution-North Carolina) 48.99%
Write-ins: 1.9%
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« Reply #680 on: August 08, 2011, 11:21:46 AM »

November 2nd, 1984
Fourth Gubernatorial Debate:
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Moderator:
Welcome to the Fourth Gubernatorial Debate.  This debate shall be different from the previous three in that it won't deal with any particular areas of debate and instead shall be an open forum for Montana citizens to ask questions for the candidates.  Due to unprofessionalism on the part of Democratic candidate Scott Westman he has been disallowed from the debate.  The debate shall be between Republican candidate and incumbent Richard Peters and his Conservative opponent Michael Oglesby.  Gentlemen, you may commence.
A woman stands up in the audience with a microphone.
Woman: Gentlemen, in the wake of Westman's disbarment from this debate we haven't heard any statements on your stance on his status.  Considering that he was participating, willingly, in a debate and then was dragged out by force, including a punch to the face by the security officer, isn't his ejection from this debate wrong?
Richard Peters picks up his microphone.
Peters: What Mister Westman displayed was crude and crass unprofessionalism.  The shocking disrespect he showed towards the moderator was beyond any reasonable measurements of rudeness and disrespect for the rules.  He deserved to be barred from this debate, and for good reason.
Oglesby: I disagree.  Whether I approve of Westman's outburst or not he had the right to express such views.  These debates are supposed to let the candidates enlighten the public about their views.  To deny Westman the opportunity to appear before these people and answer any random question about his views is simply undemocratic and unAmerican.
Voice: I AGREE!
The audience looks back and sees Scott Westman and Carl Herschelwitz standing in the back.  There is loud gasps of shock as Westman walks up to the center stage with his main advisor.  The moderator is shocked silent.
Mod: Mister Westman, you were explicitly banned from showing up to this debate!
Mister Westman puts his index finger to his chin with a dumb look on his face.  Suddenly, Carl Herschelwitz steps forward with a metal briefcase and slams it on an empty debate podium.  He opens it up and brings out a contract.
Herschelwitz: You know what this is, asshole?
Mod: I will not be spoken to in such a manner!  Where is your respect!?
Herschelwitz: I'm sorry your honor: Do you know what this is, Mister Asshole?
Mod: That is the contract that Mister Westman signed for the debates, AND I STILL DEMAND TO BE TREATED WITH THE RESPECT AFFORDED ME!
Herschelwitz: There is nothing in this contract that specifies respect for you, Mister Rockwell!  In fact there is even a clause that says that in the event that a physical altercation happens that results in harm upon a debate participant that the fault falls upon the party guilty for the conditions leading to such an assault.  In other words, you Mister Rockwell are guilty of leading to the conditions of the assault on Scott Westman.  If you have any respect for the rules of the contract you will get the Hell out of here and let the audience be the moderators!
The audience erupts in cheers.
Steven Rockwell, the moderator, walks away in anger muttering underneath his breath.
Westman: Shall we continue?
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« Reply #681 on: August 08, 2011, 02:58:44 PM »
« Edited: August 23, 2011, 06:53:13 AM by Rip Marky Mark »

Fourth Gubernatorial Debate Cont.
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Woman:
Mister Westman, what would you do about this state's statutory rape laws?
Scott Westman walks out from behind his podium and then addresses the crowd.
Westman: The statutory rape laws in this state, much like the rest of this country, are actually pretty draconian.  It is insane that it is considered unnatural for 20 year old males and 15 year old females to have relations.  I mean really, it is like we are giving common sense and nature the finger.
Peters: There is so much wrong with that statement I don't even know where to start.
Westman: You could start with crawling out of your ass.  We shouldn't legislate human nature you know.
Oglesby: By your argument we shouldn't try murderers and thieves because it is natural for people to want other peoples' stuff or be so angry to take another person's life.
Westman laughs.
Westman: Wow, you guys are so desperate you are resorting to slippery slope?
Oglesby: Wow you are so desperate you are using the ridiculous "human nature" argument?  Face it man, you are washed up!  You are letting your own personal bias cloud rational judgement in this!  I mean I realize you were in love with lil Marci, but there is a difference between a young woman of 17 and a girl who is 15!
Westman: What difference?  Two years!?
Peters: At first it'll be "just two years!?" difference when we are talking about lowering the age from 16 to 14.  Next thing you know people like Scott Westman will be arguing that there is only "two years difference" between a 14 year old and a 12 year old.  And how sexist of Scott, to only argue the female hormones at the age of 15 instead of talking about how many inner pedophiliac tendencies there are in a lot of adult men that are best restrained thanks to the statutory laws.
Westman: That is a ridiculous statement and you know it.  A vast majority of adult men are with adult women who are on average 2-7 years younger than them.  If given the chance they wouldn't be nailing high schoolers left and right, and you guys know that.  These laws help no one but lazy prosecutors who can't put forth the effort to prove that a case for rape exists in certain cases by using the retarded "age" argument.

Man: What is your opinion about the soda tax?
Oglesby: I think it's pretty stupid.
Westman: Agreed, much like the liquor tax.  You can't drink crap in this state without getting hit by the tax.
Peters: You try funding some of the state projects with just a sales tax?  It isn't easy.
Westman: Or you could just no spend like an ebil progressive "socialist" maybe!?
Peters: Shut up.

Woman: Senator, why are you such a f****t?
Westman laughs.
Westman: I always favored the taste of some nice f****ts in the morning, especially ones dipped in gravy.
Man: HEY SENATOR!  GO SUCK A DICK!
Westman waves and chuckles at the guy.
Westman: After you!  I insist.

Woman: How do all of the accusations that you are a homosexual impact you emotionally, Senator?
Westman: I laugh it all off.  I mean why shouldn't I?  I have fathered three children and I've been married for almost a year and a half.  If I was so gay why do I keep having kids or why do I keep having sex with women?  I mean it doesn't make sense.  It's funny really.
Oglesby: May I interject?
Westman: Go ahead.
Oglesby: I really fail to see what discussions like this have to do with the debate.
Westman: Well I agree my good man.  But this woman asked the question and I had to give an answer.  I really don't understand the obsession with my social life at all, but in this day and age I have to address such questions.

Man: Senator, why do you keep turning your back on labor?  And do you really expect real progressives to rush the ballots for you after you have consistently tried to portray yourself as the new right wing meat?
Peters: Sorry, but the idea that Westman is the new right wing meat is hilarious.  He is perhaps the most radically liberal candidate that's run for office in this state, bar none.  Don't expect us to fall for this charade that he is actually a right winger because we know that's just a talking point for him to score huge with Republicans and other conservatives.
Oglesby: Whatever man.  He is quite to the right of you.  However, I disagree with the young man.  I am the right wing meat, not Westman.
Portion of the audience applauds.
Westman: Come on man!  What do you expect me to be in this state?  A full on union progressive?  There are more than one market in the Democratic Party than unions!  Seriously man!  What do you want from me!?  A pay raise!?  Fine, you guys can have your pay raises once I get sworn in okay!  That'll be the first thing I'll do!

Westman's explosion at the end of the debate in which he promised to increase the salaries of state union workers resulted in a surge in approval for Westman.  Labor support, which was lukewarm for Westman, exploded overnight.  Many pundits would say that the fourth debate would be the one that saved the Westman campaign.  The debate would also give a last minute push for the incumbent Governor, who was falling behind on the polls.

Gubernatorial Results:

Scott Westman (Democratic-Missoula)/Mendelik D'Israeli (Republican-Billings) 41.96%
Michael Oglesby (Conservative-Flathead)/Julian Masters (Conservative-Glacier) 34.12%
Richard Peters (Republican-Circle)/Gerald Schweiker (Republican-Great Falls) 23%
Others: .92%
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« Reply #682 on: August 08, 2011, 03:23:22 PM »

C'mon Montana, you've got the nerve!
Vote for Oglesby cause Westman's a perv!

Anyway, yeah, can't say Im on Scott's side in the rape debate.

But dude, don't you want to bone high schoolers?
lol get it?  Because you're in high school?!
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« Reply #683 on: August 08, 2011, 03:50:12 PM »

C'mon Montana, you've got the nerve!
Vote for Oglesby cause Westman's a perv!

Anyway, yeah, can't say Im on Scott's side in the rape debate.

But dude, don't you want to bone high schoolers?
lol get it?  Because you're in high school?!

Does the law apply between high schoolers? Oh yeah, and I saw what you wrote in wite

I'm not really sure actually.
I think in some places it isn't legal for high schoolers to "HUH YEAH!" but in other places it's okay as long as both parties are under 18.  Or in some cases there is a "Romeo and Juliet" cause in which it's okay if like the older party isn't too old.
I'm not really an expert on it.
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« Reply #684 on: August 09, 2011, 01:57:23 PM »

Update on the Presidential Election:

Expect something up about the results of the Presidential Election after the Gubernatorial Election results.  I didn't do this for any particular reason, other than that I wanted the 1984 election season to be more focused on Westman's run for Governor than the national election.  So yeah, the Gubernatorial results will be up soon (probably tonight).
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« Reply #685 on: August 09, 2011, 02:10:01 PM »

November 5th, 1984
Westman Rally
Missoula, Montana:


Scott Westman is standing before the massive crowd near the Clark River Park.  He bgins to speak:
Westman: Good evening my fellow Montanans.  Tomorrow is a very big day.  Tomorrow is the day that Democrats, Republicans, Conservatives, Independents, and people of all walks of life vote for true change in this country.  I believe that with your help we will make a difference.  With your help me and Mendelik we can change this state for the better.  It doesn't matter whether you vote for Fred Harris, or Michael Harrison, or Phil Crane, or a third party, as long as you vote for what you believe is right.  I can't force a vote on you, but I can say with clarity that I believe in myself, I believe in my running mate, and I believe in the people of this state.  I know this sounds cliche and this sounds cheesy, but damn I'm proud to be a Montanan.  I believe with your help, your trust, and your courage we can turn this state around and make us the envy of a nation.  Not only that, but we can help make this region, the Mountain West, a region to be envied.  The people of other states, the people of Idaho, the people of Wyoming, the people of Utah, the people of Colorado, the people of Nevada, the people of Arizona, the people of New Mexico, the people of Washington, and the people of Oregon are looking to us, here in Montana, to set the stage for a grand cultural revolution in this nation.  A revolution based on the ideals of individuality and freedom of choice that has made this area of the country the grandest of them all.  It is tomorrow that we stop the march of Northeast Republicanism and that of southern moralism from taking over the culture of our grand region.  The eyes of all Western America is on us, to make a statement tomorrow in that voting booth.  Together we can.

Westman's last speech before the 1984 Elections would be lauded as a landmark speech for it's appeals of regional pride amongst the western states.  It would be the beginning of a new nationalism, an era of cultural pride amongst the states of Western America.  A region long neglected on the national scene would find it's hero in one named Westman.
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« Reply #686 on: August 09, 2011, 03:29:59 PM »
« Edited: August 09, 2011, 09:29:44 PM by Rip Marky Mark »

November 6th, 1984
Election Day:


It was Election Day 1984.  Millions of Americans would go to the voting booths to cast their votes for President and other offices.  In the state of Montana there would be the race of Governor as well as races for the US Senate for Max Baucus old seat and the three House seats.  The day would be an unseasonably warm day for November in the western part of the state with temperatures in the mid 60's and mostly sunny skies in Missoula, Butte, and Helena.....quite a difference from the horrendous early winter that was going on in November 1982.
As a result of the unusually pleasant weather in most of western Montana turnout would be at record highs throughout the western part of the state, especially in the areas surrounding Flathead Lake.  All of this would prove to be extraordinary news for the Westman/D'Israeli ticket, who would win a shocking nine point victory over the Conservative ticket:

Governor-Elect Scott Westman (Democratic-Missoula)/Lieutenant Governor-Elect Mendelik D'Israeli (Republican-Billings) 45.81%
CPA Michael Oglesby (Conservative-Flathead)/Dr. Julian Masters 36.34%
Governor Richard Peters (Republican-Circle)/Lieutenant Governor Gerald Schweiker (Republican-Great Falls) 17.25%
Other: .6%

The ticket's popular vote victory would be even more than that of the Conservative Presidential ticket of President Crane and Vice President Ray Hutchison, who would win 41.15% of the state's voters.  Many pundits would declare that the "Westman Era" had begun with a clear mandate, as the ticket had won clear mandates in historically non-Democratic counties, namely a 53.12% vote victory in comfortably Republican Flathead County (the last time Flathead County went Democratic was in 1976 when Westman first ran for US Senate, though it voted against Democratic President Ronald Reagan) and a 48.91% victory in Yellowstone County (which is usually pretty Republican for a mostly urban county in Montana).
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« Reply #687 on: August 09, 2011, 04:31:02 PM »

MacMahon Suites in Billings, Montana
8:25 PM, Mountain Standard Time:


Scott Westman and Mendelik D'Israeli arrive on stage with Brea Westman and Lena D'Israeli (Mendelik's wife) in front of a crowd of members of the press and some campaign volunteers.  Westman comes up to the microphone and starts talking:

Westman: You know, I've been talking way too much on this campaign trail so I kind of figured, y'know, maybe for once I'll give the mic to my running mate on this momentous occasion.  Because damn it to Hell I don't want to say the usual cliched "I won" speech.  With that said LADIES AND GENTLEMEN GIVE A ROUND OF APPLAUSE FOR THE WORLD'S BEST RUNNING MATE IN HISTORY......MENDELIK JOHANUSEN D'ISRAELI!
The audience and Westman clap as the 6'2" Mendelik D'Israeli takes the mic.  Not knowing what to expect, Westman stands next to his daughter as Mendelik tries to think of something to say.
D'Israeli: Well uh....gee uh...I guess I want to take this opportunity to immediately thank Scott for offering me this opportunity to run on one of the most bipartisan and open tickets in the history of not only this state but of this nation.
Campaign workers cheer enthusiastically.
D'Israeli: I'll be real honest I didn't have any idea I was going to speak but I'll be damned if I don't thank all of the campaign workers, both Democratic and Republican, who worked around the clock to make this dream possible.  It gives me great honor to have run on this ticket with a man like Scott Westman and to have gotten to know his family and his friends on this great journey.  Of note I would especially like to thank his lovely daughter Brea, who worked tireless hours for her father's campaign even while pursuing her education.  I would also like to thank Carl Herschelwitz who has got to be the most underrated campaign managers in this nation.  I have never met one who was more loyal, more dedicated, and more thorough in his duties as a manager than Carl.  He is the muscle behind this campaign, if it weren't for him we probably would've been destroyed in the election.
Carl Herschelwitz stands up and waves as the audience gives him a round of applause.
D'Israeli: I would also like to thank my wife Lena, for being by my side through this entire campaign and for being the best damn cookie cutter in the world.  She was the glue that held together the morale of this campaign with her rum flavored ginger bread cookies and she is perhaps the most devoted wife I've ever known.  And yes I may be biased, but in my defense my experience is quite limited.  Behind every strong man there is a strong woman, and by god she is my strong woman.  Thank you and God Bless you for your vote.
Audience gives an enthusiastic clap as D'Israeli steps down and Brea Westman takes the stage.
Brea: Whoo!  That was a great speech!  Anyway, right now we are holding a post election party in the Tralee Event Center that is located on the north side of the hotel.
This is gonna be an interesting four years, Westman thought.
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« Reply #688 on: August 09, 2011, 05:07:35 PM »
« Edited: August 09, 2011, 06:10:05 PM by Rip Marky Mark »

Presidential Election Season 1984:

The Presidential Election Season of 1984 would be a mostly uneventful election.  Due to a stable economy and a lack of foreign entanglements or conflicts President Crane's first term in office was judged to be a strong one.  The Democratic and Republican Party tickets would see record low turnouts due to disinterest among the party bases.  It is the opinion of many that the Election of 1984 was such a blowout not because Crane was excessively popular or was the most charismatic leader (he really wasn't), but that the Democratic and Republican candidates were "amongst the most dull and uninspiring in the history of presidential candidates."  Many would call Fred Harris "Walter Mondale MK. II" due to his inability to create real excitement in the general election field.
Michael Harrison would do worse, with many people buying bumper stickers asking "Who the Hell is Michael Harrison?" during the 1984 Election Season.  Most of this was due to the perception that there wasn't any real difference between Harrison and Crane except that Harrison would've planted a tree on Earth Day.  Harrison’s poor showing in 1984 indicated that a large amount of Republicans, mostly conservatives and some libertarians, voted for Crane instead of the party line in 1984.  Only Washington, Vermont, Maine, and Wyoming would vote Republican, mostly out of identity politics than actual support for the GOP ticket.  Such crushing realities would make the GOP ticket of 1984 the worst popular vote performance in the history of the party.
As a result, the 1984 Election Map would be a blow out election for Crane with the best Electoral College Vote showings since 1936:

Electoral Map
November 6th, 1984:




President Philip Crane (Conservative-Illinois)/Vice President Ray Hutchison (Conservative-Texas) 48.41% Popular Vote 450 Electoral Votes
Former US Senator Fred Harris (Democratic-Oklahoma)/US Senator Daniel Lynch 32.41% Popular Vote 61 Electoral Votes
US Representative Michael Harrison (Republican-California)/US Senator Harry Callahan (Republican-Washington) 16.03% Popular Vote 27 Electoral Votes
Other: 3.15%

Also of note, the Constitution Party would run former Vice President Jesse Helms on it's ticket.  Due to the extreme rhetoric of Helms the party would see it's vote counts a fraction of what it was in 1980.  It seemed that President Crane took all of the party's momentum with him when he left in 1982.
Marxist Leninist Senator Beauregard D'Israeli would run on a third party ticket in his home state of Wyoming, Montana, and Idaho.  Many would consider his "Marxist Leninist" ticket to be a joke, though he did manage to get a little over 25,000 votes.  Many to this day wonder if he really went apesh*t, or if he was just trolling the electorate.

It should be noted that Philip Crane's popular vote percentage wasn't exactly the highest.  In fact, despite his strong EC performance Crane didn't even win a majority of the Popular Vote.  This would gain him many similarities to Woodrow Wilson, a man who won election to the Presidency in a landslide electoral vote while only winning 41% of the popular vote.
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« Reply #689 on: August 09, 2011, 05:23:19 PM »

The Post-Interview
November 6th, 1984
11:45 PM, MST:


ABC Interviewer Diane Sawyer is in Scott Westman's Hotel Room sitting on one of the beds facing him with a microphone.
Sawyer: Hello this is Diane Sawyer here with Montana Governor-Elect Scott Westman at his hotel room at the MacMahon Suites in Billings, Montana.  So Governor, now that you've been elected what are you going to do?
Westman chuckles then he pulls out his cigarette pack.
Westman: Want one?
Sawyer: No thanks.
Westman pulls out a cigarette and lights it.  After taking a puff he turns back toward Sawyer.
Westman: I'm going to go to Disney Land.  And then hopefully sometime this month have sex with me wife.
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« Reply #690 on: August 09, 2011, 05:41:18 PM »

Well, it has to be said:



I just completed yet another major storyline arc.

Next Update: Gubernatorial Race Results State by State 1984
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« Reply #691 on: August 09, 2011, 06:09:36 PM »

Presidential Election Season 1984:
Such crushing realities would make the GOP ticket of 1984 the worst performance for the GOP in history.

Unless the POD is earlier than 1912, the Republicans did worse in 1912 in the EV, tho not the PV.

Noted.
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« Reply #692 on: August 09, 2011, 06:53:04 PM »

Gubernatorial Races 1984


Light shade=gain
Dark shade=retain

Arkansas: GOP State Chairman Michael G. Bubble (Republican) defeats incumbent Larry Stevens (Democratic)
Delaware: Incumbent Pierre J. Dumass (Republican) defeats Injury Lawyer Arnold Schuweimar (Democratic)
Indiana: US Senator Richard Lugar (Republican) defeats Indianapolis Mayor Richie K. Cunningham (Democratic)
Maine: Maine Secretary of State Peter Snowe (Republican) defeats State Senator Philip R. Keagle (Democratic)
Missouri: US Senator Thomas Eagleton (Democratic) defeats Former US Senator John Danforth (Republican)
Montana: Former US Senator Scott Westman (Democratic) defeats incumbent Richard Peters (Republican) and CPA Michael Oglesby (Conservative)
New Hampshire: Incumbent John H. Sununu (Republican) defeats Former US Senator Keegan R. Adler (Democratic)
North Carolina: US Representative Robert L. Nolstrom (Republican) defeats Incumbent Nelbert K. Doobie (Constitution) and Former State Attorney General Robet K. Nahum (Democratic)
North Dakota: Incumbent Allen I. Olson (Republican) defeats Bismarck Doctor Steffen L. Dobbels (Democratic)
Rhode Island: US Senator John Chafee (Republican) defeats Donovan T. Smith (Democratic)
Utah: Incumbent Norman H. Bangerter (Republican) defeats US Representative Roger K. Shepherd (Democratic)
Vermont: US Representative James "Jim" Jeffords (Republican) defeats Burlington Mayor Kathleen J. Patrick (Democratic)
Washington: Washington Secretary of State Harrison J. Fitzpatrick defeats Former Seattle Mayor Robin T. Wellers (Republican)
West Virginia: Gerald B. Taylor (Republican) defeats State Senator Danielle R. Jackson (Democratic)
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« Reply #693 on: August 09, 2011, 09:31:01 PM »

1984 Montana Gubernatorial election results, Copyright Dallasfan


I believe that seems about right.
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« Reply #694 on: August 09, 2011, 10:11:11 PM »
« Edited: August 23, 2011, 08:12:27 PM by Rip Marky Mark »

Flashforward
March 14th, 1986
Helena, Montana:


Why me, God, why me?
Scott Westman thought as he contemplated what had been brought before him.  Of all the Governors of Montana he was the one who had been given the power to ultimately decide this issue once and for all.  There was a part of him that was screaming for the veto, yet there was another part of him that wasn't so sure.  A part of him that had a feeling of regret, of pain, of what he once advocated.  A part of him that felt, in his heart, that this bill was ultimately the right thing to do.  That thousands of lives would literally depend on how he acted on this.
The worst part of all though was he had no idea how he should feel about this.
It would prove to be the toughest decision in his political career up to that point.  And no matter how he decided on the issue, somebody would hold a grudge against him for the rest of his political life.
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« Reply #695 on: August 09, 2011, 10:52:06 PM »
« Edited: August 23, 2011, 07:09:19 AM by Rip Marky Mark »

January 3rd, 1985
Helena, Montana
State Capitol:


Governor Scott Westman approaches the podium before a gathering of both houses of the state legislature.  With a majority Democratic representation he felt pretty confident of passing the raises he promised the public unions, but you never know until you try.
Westman: Greetings members of the State Legislature.  Today I got a most humble of request before you.  For the past four years the great workers of this state's government have been given the backhand when we should've been extending an olive branch.  The workers of this government are long overdue for a raise in their salaries, nothing more, nothing less.  What I want is a bill to be passed that gives these men and women who serve our state with dignity and high standing a decent raise of at least $25 a week.  That is all.
To Westman's astonishment by the end of the week a bill would be pushed by Republican House member John Bohlinger that proposed raising the weekly salary of state workers by $50 a week.  This would in effect give state workers over $200 more a month in take home salaries.  To Westman's astonishment a fair number of Republicans would support the bill, as would the entire Democratic caucus in the House and Senate.  Most of this support had come from traditionally pro-labor Republicans, leftovers from the era of the Borahs and the LaFollettes.

Note: Inflation wasn't anywhere as high as it was in our timeline.  Reagan, as bad as his term was, didn't have to deal with the double digit inflation that Ford and Carter had to deal with IRL.  As a result the dollar is a bit stronger.  So $217.25 more per month would be like $1500 IRL 2010 US Dollars.  Yeah, Westman isn't as anti-labor as you thought, was he?

The bill, however, would be denounced by a number of members of the Montana House and Senate.  Notably a lot of Westman's cross party allies when he was running for Governor would decry Westman's sudden pro-labor sympathies, calling his bill "an extreme handout to organized labor that would raise a lot of government workers' salaries by a third to even a half of their monthly salary!"  Westman would defend his position, arguing that he was restoring the lost wages taken from state workers by the Peters Administration.  Due to positioning himself as a pro-labor Governor right at the start of his tenure many labor organizations from around the state would praise Scott Westman for "seeing the light about workers' rights".
Fiscal and Economic conservatives and libertarians, however, were livid.  Many saw it as a betrayal of the trust that fi-cons put into the Westman/D'Israeli ticket under the impression that Scott Westman was for reductions in government spending (including wages for state workers).  With Westman pushing for wage increases for state workers right out of the gate, many of Westman's more conservative supporters felt like they were stabbed in the back and used so Westman could get into office and promote an economically progressive agenda.
In other words, they felt dubbed because they thought that Scott Westman would operate differently than "just another Democrat".
Scott Westman would try to reason with his critics that in the current environment that giving some to labor in the short run would ultimately help his agenda in the long run.  The results were mixed.  Some accepted his reasoning and decided, against their better judgement, to vote for Bohlinger's bill.  The end result would be a 58% majority in the House and a very slim 52% majority in the Senate.
Scott Westman would have his first legislative victory.  However, after Westman signed the Bohlinger Bill on January 30th, 1985 his Lieutenant Governor Mendelik D'Israeli would refuse to talk to him for the next month.
It had seemed as if though Scott Westman, a month into his governorship, already had to fix some bridges.......
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US Senate:

US Senate as of November 6th, 1984:

Alabama:
Class 2: Howell T. Heflin (Constitution)
Class 3: Jeremiah Denton (Constitution)

Alaska:
Class 2: Nick Begich (Democratic), appointed to fill US Senate seat by Governor Gravel after the death of Republican Senator Ted Stevens in an airplane wreck in late 1983.
Class 3: Walter Hickel (Alaska Independence Party), joined AIP in 1983
Arizona:
Class 1: Morris Udall (Democratic)
Class 3: Barry Goldwater (Republican)
Arkansas:
Class 2: William J. Clinton (Democratic)
Class 3: William Clark (Constitution)
California:
Class 1: Ricardo Montalban(Republican)
Class 3: Michael V. Hawk (Republican)

Colorado:
Class 2: Carlos Mendez(Republican)
Class 3: Mary E. Buchanan (Republican)

Connecticut:
Class 1: Lowell P. Weicker (Republican)
Class 3: Christopher J. Dodd (Democratic)
Delaware:
Class 1: William V. Roth (Republican)
Class 2: Joseph R. Biden, Jr. (Democratic)
Florida:
Class 1: Paula Hawkins (Republican)
Class 3: Roy Holland (Constitution)
Georgia:
Class 2: Fletcher Thompson (Constitution)
Class 3: Mack Mattingly (Constitution)

Hawaii:
Class 1: Spark M. Matsunga (Democratic)
Class 3: Don Djou (Republican)
Idaho:
Class 2: James A. McClure (Republican)
Class 3: Steve Symms (Constitution)
Illinois:
Class 2: Farley H. Murray (Democratic)
Class 3: Daniel Crane (Republican)
Indiana:
Class 1: Richard Lugar (Republican)
Class 3: Collins McCarn (Conservative)
Iowa:
Class 2: John Kyl (Republican)
Class 3: Mark Gladden (Conservative)
Kansas:
Class 2: Robert J. Dole (Republican)
Class 3: Larry Winn (Constitution)
Kentucky:
Class 2: Walter Huddleston (Constitution)
Class 3: Gene Snyder (Constitution)

Louisiana:
Class 2: Moon Landrieu (Democratic)
Class 3: Joe D. Waggonner (Constitution)
Maine:
Class 1: Roger J. Braddock (Democratic
Class 2: William Cohen (Republican)
Maryland:
Class 1: Sargent Shriver (Democratic)
Class 3: Charles Matthias (Republican)
Massachusetts:
Class 1: Daniel M. Lynch(Democratic)
Class 2: William Saltonstall (Republican)
Michigan:
Class 1: Lenore Romney (Republican)
Class 2: Henry Claymore (Democratic)
Minnesota:
Class 1: Peter F. Federov (DFL)
Class 2: Walter Mondale (DFL)

Mississippi:
Class 1: Roy Deagles (Dixiecrat), predecessor died in office.
Class 2: Trent Lott (Dixiecrat), ditto.

Missouri:
Class 1: Adrian Moore (Democratic)
Class 3: Thomas Eagleton (Democratic)

Montana:
Class 1: David Walters (Conservative)
Class 2: Max Baucus (Democratic)
Nebraska:
Class 1: Virginia Smith (Republican)
Class 2: Paul Mercanti (Republican)
Nevada:
Class 1: Mike O'Callaghan (Democratic)
Class 3: Paul Laxalt (Republican)
New Hampshire:
Class 2: Thaddeus Michaels (Republican)
Class 3: Warren Rudman (Republican)

New Jersey:
Class 1: Augustus J. Donnelly (Democratic)
Class 2: Bill Bradley (Democratic)

New Mexico:
Class 1: Raul Ramirez (Democratic)
Class 2: Harrison Schmitt (Republican)
New York:
Class 1: Daniel P. Moynihan (Democratic)
Class 3: David P. Killian (Democratic)

North Carolina:
Class 2: Bradley Moore (Constitution)
Class 3: John P. East (Constitution)

North Dakota:
Class 1: Robert Stroup (Republican)
Class 3: Anthony Williams (Constitution)
Ohio:
Class 1: Robert Taft Jr. (Republican)
Class 3: Stephen Dieckers (Republican), appointed by Governor Michael Stephenson after death of Senator John Glenn.  Special Election scheduled on Election Day 1984.
Oklahoma:
Class 2: James Robert Jones (Democratic)
Class 3: Don Nickles (Constitution)
Oregon:
Class 2: Mark Hatfield (Republican)
Class 3: Robert Packwood (Republican)

Pennsylvania:
Class 1: H. John Heinz III (Republican)
Class 3: Lawrence Watson (Democratic)
Rhode Island:
Class 1: John Chafee (Republican)
Class 2: Ruth M. Briggs (Republican)

South Carolina:
Class 2: Strom Thurmond (Constitution)
Class 3: Charlie Rhodes (Constitution)

South Dakota:
Class 2: Larry Pressler (Republican)
Class 3: Sean O'Brien (Conservative)
Tennessee:
Class 1: John Duncan, Sr. (Republican)
Class 2: Howard Baker (Republican)

Texas:
Class 1: Ronald E. Paul (Republican)
Class 2: James Wright (Democratic)
Utah:
Class 1: Orrin Hatch (Republican)
Class 3: Quentin Maxwell (Conservative)
Vermont:
Class 1: Major Derrick (Democratic)
Class 3: Richard W. Mallary (Republican)
Virginia:
Class 1: John Warner (Republican)
Class 2: Tobin MacMahon (Democratic)
Washington:
Class 1: Allan B. Swift (Democratic)
Class 3: Harry Callahan (Republican)
West Virginia:
Class 1: Robert Byrd (Democratic)
Class 2: Alan Mollohan (Democratic)

Wisconsin:
Class 1: Tommy Thompson (Republican)
Class 3: William R. Goodman (Republican)

Wyoming:
Class 1: Alan K. Simpson (Republican)
Class 2: Beauregard D'Israeli (Marxist-Leninist)


That would make the composition:

Republicans: 43 Seats
Democrats: 31 Seats
Constitution: 19 Seats
Conservative/AIP: 6 Seats
Marxist-Leninist: 1 Seat
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« Reply #697 on: August 10, 2011, 11:55:29 AM »
« Edited: August 10, 2011, 12:17:09 PM by Rip Marky Mark »

US Senate Election Results 1984:

Senate Composition before Election:
Note: bold emphasizes "coalition control"

Republicans: 43 Seats
Constitution: 19 Seats
Conservative: 6 Seats
Democratic: 31 Seats
Marxist Leninist: 1 Seat


The place that usually represents DC is used to represent the results of the Special Election for Mississippi Senate Class 1.

Senate Composition After Election:

Republican: 45 (+2)
Constitution: 13 Seats (-6)
Conservative: 6 Seats (no net change)
Democrats: 36 Seats (+5)
Marxist Leninist: Gone the way of the Dodo

State by State results:

Alabama: Incumbent Senator Howell Heflin (Constitution) retains
Alaska: Incumbent Nick Begich (Democratic) retains
Arkansas: Incumbent William J. Clinton (Democratic) retains
Colorado: Environmentalist Mark Udall (Democratic) defeats Incumbent Carlos Mendes (Republican)
Georgia: Accountant Patrick R. Geary (Democratic) defeats Incumbent Fletcher Thompson (Constitution)
Idaho: Incumbent James A. McClure (Republican) retains
Illinois: Incumbent Farley H. Murray (Democratic) retains
Iowa: Incumbent Jon Kyl (Republican) retains
Kansas: Incumbent Robert J. Dole (Republican) retains
Kentucky: Judge Mitch McConnell (Republican) defeats Incumbent Walter Huddleston (Constitution)
Louisiana: Incumbent Moon Landrieu (Democratic) retains
Maine: Incumbent William Cohen (Republican) retains
Massachusetts: Incumbent William Saltonstall (Republican) retains
Michigan: Detroit Mayor Frederick N. Fassbender (Democratic) defeats Governor Fred Stone (Republican)* (seat retain for Democrats)
Minnesota: Lieutenant Governor Paul K. Vernor (Republican) defeats US Representative Malcolm Little (Democratic)* (seat gain for Republicans)
Mississippi Special: Civil Rights and Pro-life activist Robert Jarrell (Republican) defeats Incumbent Roy Deagles (Dixiecrat)
Mississippi: Biloxi County Judge Helm Mundstream defeats Incumbent Trent Lott (Dixiecrat)
Montana: US Representative Killian S. Darkwater defeats Captain Calvin Clidge (Republican) and State House Representative Karl Hoeven (Conservative)** (seat retain for Democrats)
Nebraska: Incumbent Paul Mercanti (Republican) retains
New Hampshire: Incumbent Thaddeus Michaels (Republican) retains
New Jersey: Incumbent Bill Bradley (Democratic) retains
New Mexico: Incumbent Harrison Schmitt (Republican) retains
North Carolina: Lawyer Harvey Gantt (Democratic) defeats Incumbent Bradley Moore (Constitution)
Ohio Special Election: US Representative Tony P. Hall (Democratic) defeats incumbent Stephen Dieckers (Republican)
Oklahoma: Tulsa Mayor Frank Keating (Republican) defeats Incumbent James Robert Jones
Oregon: Senate Majority Leader Mark O. Hatfield (Republican) retains
Rhode Island: Rhode Island Secretary of State Edie L. Flnneran (Democratic) defeats Incumbent Ruth M. Brigs (Republican)
South Carolina: State Senator Joseph J. Tierney (Democratic) defeats Incumbent Strom Thurmond (Dixiecrat)
South Dakota: Incumbent Larry Pressler (Republican) retains
Tennessee: Incumbent Howard Baker (Republican) retains
Texas: Incumbent James Wright (Democratic) retains
Virginia: Senate Minority Leader Tobin MacMahon (Democratic) retains
West Virginia: Robert K. O'Delahey (Republican) defeats Incumbent Alan Mollohan (Democratic)
Wyoming: Governor Wilhelm L. Reuters (Republican) defeats State Senate Minority Leader Joshua W. Gerolwitz (Democratic)**

*Incumbent retired
**Incumbent ineligible for re-election due to other factors (like running in a primary for another office)

The shockingly strong Democratic performances across the nation during a Presidential year would alarm the Coalition, who expected the Crane wave to carry many conservatives to office.  Rather, the lack of any mandate on the Congressional race would indicate that people were disillusioned with the direction of the country.  Millions of citizens who would vote in Phil Crane for President would also vote Democrats into the US Senate and House in 1984, an indication that perhaps the Crane Revolution might be on it's way out.
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« Reply #698 on: August 10, 2011, 12:23:18 PM »
« Edited: August 10, 2011, 12:25:03 PM by Rip Marky Mark »

US House before 1984 Election:

Republican: 223 Seats (+18)
Constitution: 38 Seats (-23)
Conservative: 43 (+23)
Democratic: 134 Seats (+3)
Bold is for Coalition Control

Notes:

In the aftermath of the Constitution Party's nomination of Jesse Helms a large number of Constitution party members (mostly in the Northeast and Midwest) would defect to the Conservative Party.
The Moderate Reform Party, satisfied with the GOP ticket would disband and go back to the Republican Party.  A few more progressive members, however, would move to the Democratic Party.  The Party was doomed to fail, in light of it's limited regional appeal (the party was mostly Northeastern WASP).

After Congressional Elections:

Republican: 218 Seats(-5)
Constitution: 22 Seats (-16)
Conservative: 52 Seats(+9)
Democratic: 146 Seats (+12)

The Democratic Party had officially become the "Party of the Opposition".
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« Reply #699 on: August 10, 2011, 05:08:17 PM »
« Edited: August 14, 2011, 09:20:54 PM by Rip Marky Mark »

February 28th, 1985:

Scott Westman is in his office when he picks up the ringing telephone.
Westman: Hello?
Lena D'Israeli: Hey Scott this is Lena.
Westman: Oh hey!  How's it going!?  It feels like it's been forever.
Lena: Meh tell me about it.  So, what're you doing right now?
Westman: Well sh*t, nothin'.  Been doing nothin' for like a week now.  I kind of wonder what the point is being Governor now.  Seems like I don't do sh*t.
Lena: Y'know Mendelik is still really mad at you for that labor vote.
Westman: You sh*tting me?  Why are all the men in that family such little bitches?
Lena: The f*** if I know.  What I'm wondering is what kind of mad woman decides to marry into their family.  Apparently this one.
Westman: So what's up?
Lena: You wanna come over and smoke some dope?
It had been awhile for Westman (smoking dope, of course) so the answer was pretty immediate.
Westman: Hell yes I want to smoke some dope!

10 Minutes Later

Westman pulls up into the driveway and sees a woman come out of the house.  Late thirties, jet black hair, with a flannel shirt and jeans......vintage Lena.  Lena D'Israeli was totally unlike any woman married into politics: artistic, laid back, and a pot head.  Lena D'Israeli was the type of woman more at home smoking weed and painting abstract paintings than she was attending expensive functions and buying eight hundred dollar dresses.  Westman walks up to her and shakes her hand.
Westman: How's it going?
Lena: Meh, Mendelik's a little busy.
Westman: Doing what!?  He's the Lieutenant Governor!  All his job description is to wake up, read the newspaper, see if I'm still alive, smoke some weed, have sex and then go back to sleep!  How hard is that?  Even I don't slack off that much!
Lena: Whatever.  Just come inside, we need to talk.

20 Minutes Later:

Westman:
Sh*t this is some good dope you got here Lena.  Where'd you get it?
Lena laughs and then points to a place in the kitchen.  Westman notices a UV light hanging over a table.  It was then that he noticed the plants.
Westman: Sh*t, you guys are hardcore.
Lena: There is more in the greenhouse.  Maybe you can take some home for you and your wife.  YOu know spice up your sex life?
Westman: That is hilarious Lena.  All I ever feel like doing is talk about philosophy when I'm high, definitely not have sex.
Lena: Anyway listen Mendelik is still really pissed about what happened.
Westman: Your husband is a little bitch, what else is new?
Lena: Truth is I think he's planning on resigning.  He's gone over to talk to Beauregard about something.  And you know that any conversation with that ole crazy f*** won't go over well.  I really think you should talk to him.
Westman: Big deal it was one vote.  If he's going to go into drama queen mode I won't bother.
Lena: Please Scott, you guys need each other.  For this state, and maybe even for the whole damn country.  It just wouldn't make sense after all you guys went through last year.  I believed in you guys.  You can't give up on him now.
Westman: Okay fine.  I'll talk to Mister Drama Queen.  But now, how about we catch up on old times?
Lena: Sounds great!
Westman: Man did you see that one episode of the A-Team where they are fighting the Columbian drug lord and Christopher Walken rips his f***ing head off!  My balls exploded just watching that!
Lena: Bullsh*t man!  That didn't happen!
Westman: Huh yes it did!  I saw it with my own beady eyes!  Christopher Walken walked over and ripped his head off like he was lifting a hood from his sweater!
Lena: You're so full of sh*t Scott!  That is almost as ridiculous as Iron Butterfly's Persian Democracy!  How long have they been working on that sh*t!?  Five years!?  My ass it'll ever come out.
Westman: Or how about Godfather Part IV?  That one has been in the works for six years now!
Lena: Well what'd you expect?  It seems like they've been spending years trying to convince John Cazale to come back for $2 million!  That's insane!  I mean the third one was a masterpiece when it came out in 1978 with Fredo Corleone taking over the family after the Ferligino Mafia killed Michael.  Which is ironically perfect timing considering that Al Pacino, perhaps the greatest young actor of a whole generation, died in 1979 after a drug overdose.
Westman: Truth.  I just wish they would hurry their ass up with the production.  Been waiting for that movie for over six years now....what takes people so long now days?
Lena: Well you know what they say?
Westman: What?
Lena: The sequels are never as good as the first.
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