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Question: What are your thoughts on the Promotion of Marriage in Education Act?
#1
I love it! (Mideasterner)
 
#2
I hate it! (Mideasterner)
 
#3
What is it? (Mideasterner)
 
#4
I love it! (Non-Mideasterner)
 
#5
I hate it! (Non-Mideasterner)
 
#6
What is it? (Non-Mideasterner)
 
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Mechaman
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« on: September 26, 2014, 03:13:33 PM »

All I'll say (given that this seems like the kind of thing that could end up in Court at some level) is that the level of outrage seems far out of proportion to what's basically the kind of thing our most conservative region might be reasonably expected to pass.

Not any longer.
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Mechaman
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« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2014, 07:10:13 AM »
« Edited: September 27, 2014, 09:25:03 AM by Mechaman »

It is slightly absurd how this attracted such outrage while another bill, which restricted abortion access and legislated for mandatory ultrasounds, that one would have assumed would be equally or more objectionable to the liberal consensus, was entirely ignored.

The government literally mandating that gay kids be taught that they are second-class citizens is more objectionable to me than your run-of-the-mill abortion restriction bill - those are a dime a dozen.

Heavy-handed abortion restrictions should be ignored (or worse, accepted) simply because they are banal?

Oh, no, I'm just saying that the hate bill is an exceptional case. Cats are cute, but everyone loves cats. If there was a guy who thought tuataras were cute, that would be deserving of national attention, but cats wouldn't stop being cute.

I guess I'm not understanding why mandatory medical procedures and denying women control over their bodies do not also qualify as exceptional.

Hifly's ghastly anti-gay bill deserves every bit every bit of condemnation that it receives, but now that it's been pushed into an early grave I can't help feeling disappointed that everyone has overlooked the so-called "Right to Life Act" that passed not long before. This is not a minor issue. We shouldn't ignore women's rights just because there aren't actual women in Atlasia.

Just so everyone is aware, I addressed the "Right to Life Act" right after I got elected.  I do not support the repeal of it's entirety, given that sections 1-3 of that bill give important protection for outsiders in the Mideast.  If anything, I'd like to propose a new piece of legislation that will effectively undo sections 4-7 which place extreme restrictions on a woman's right to get an abortion.

Or, if you feel so inclined, you could pursue legal recourse.  I would feel uncomfortable with the courts striking down a law that gives foreigners civil liberty protections, but if that's what you gotta do. .... . . .just let me know ahead of time so I can prepare a stand alone legislation addressing that.  Also, I am not so sure if there is a Constitutional basis for pursuing a case on the "Right to Life" bill.  I say give those of us in the Mideast Legislature enough time to work out a solution (though admittedly, it would be far from ideal given the ideological leans of the region) on this front.

Hifly says he wants to work with us and has been real amicable.  However, and I mean no offense here, he is out of his mind if he thinks me and Spiral will just let this sh*t slide.  While I did not get elected with a mandate, neither did he.  Out of 18 people who voted in the most recent Mideast Regional Election, only six of them voted for Hifly.  Meanwhile, me and Spiral got a combined ten votes (six for Spiral four for me) in a race that our Governor and Lt. Governor lost a landslide to TJ and Tmthforu.  In other words, 55.6% of the people who voted in the last election voted for a Democratic-Republican agenda in the upcoming Assembly.

I believe it is clear that while the people of the Mideast may not be ready for Green Socialism or whatever the hell I call my ideology now days, they are more open to change than they were in the past.  I should note that the so-called "Promotion of Marriage in Education Act" was a bill that was crafted and rushed through the Legislature in practically record time right after the election.  The "Mideast Right to Life Act" was proposed seven days ago during the middle of the election and passed just two days later.
This is the kind of crazy sh*t people can get away with when you only need one other person (also a moral authoritarian) to pass your agenda.  Like all other recent problems the Mideast has had Inactivity is at the very heart of this.  The people of the Mideast have recently voted, overwhelmingly, to restore the five seat legislature.  They have seen the grave threats that come with a legislature where only 2 votes decides the fate of many.

That left one man, Assemblyman Franzl, to put up a futile defense of the people against the reactionaries who took over the Legislature in the wake of our months of inactivity.  Franzl put up a spirited defense against these forces, going as far as to cast his vote as "HELL NO!" on the "Promotion of Marriage in Education Act".  I feel ashamed for not recognizing his effort earlier, but promise the people of the Mideast that they will be remembered going forward when we pass the "Franzl War Memorial" bill and the "Franzl Day" bill in a couple of weeks.
Thank you Assemblyman, and Dave be with you.

So this I submit to outsiders: I know these recent bills have been horrifying to every decent person.  I know that the cost to Civil Rights in this country by the passage of these laws will hurt many.  And I know it is a bad reflection on the Mideast, with it's recent months of inactivity and regional governance falling apart.  But please know that, while Hifly was re-elected, he does not have the mandate of the people.  These laws were proposed and passed by two fringe Federalists (emphasis, as mainstream Federalists like our Lieutenant Governor Tmthforu and the Federalist Presidential candidate Lumine have condemned the "Promotion of Marriage in Education Act" at the least and our Governor just recently vetoed the law) who saw the writing on the wall.  These laws were passed in spite of the people of the Mideast, not because of them.  If you look at recent polling from this very Cardboard Box the overwhelming majority of Mideasterners (including myself) who have responded hate it.  And I don't expect a great amount of change in the poll numbers as more and more Mideast citizens respond.

EDIT: Just noticed that TJ vetoed the "Promotion of Family in Education" bill.  So hopefully not everything I just said is moot now.
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