Israel

[ChrisJG777]

God gave us this land, now we want to give it away to these monsters?

God given land my arse!  You know for well that land actually belongs to the Palestinians, and if anything its the Israeli government who're the monsters for being arrogant enough to deny that!

But, seeing as Israel isn't going anywhere soon, its government could have the good sense to withdraw back to the intended 1948 boundaries and accept and recognise the presence of a fully independent Palestinian state.  For one thing, Israel's Arab neighbours might be somewhat less pissed off at the aforementioned.

[ChrisJG777]

you honestly believe that these terrorists will leave Israelis Alone?

I believe a State of Palestine is in the best interests of Israel. 

yeah, because, historically, Israelis allowing Gentiles to divide up the land of Jacob has worked so well for Israel....right?!

You're not still using the religious argument, are you?  No person with the slightest shred of common sense is going to buy that!  Furthermore, creating a state almost exclusively for a particular religious group is just wrong on so many levels.

[ChrisJG777]

you honestly believe that these terrorists will leave Israelis Alone?

I believe a State of Palestine is in the best interests of Israel. 

yeah, because, historically, Israelis allowing Gentiles to divide up the land of Jacob has worked so well for Israel....right?!

You're not still using the religious argument, are you? 

no, rather I'm using recorded history...far be it from me to attempt to use a religious argument on a bunch of idiots.

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No person with the slightest shred of common sense is going to buy that!

1Cor 1:21 "For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe."

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  Furthermore, creating a state almost exclusively for a particular religious group is just wrong on so many levels.

you mean - wrong on so many politically correct levels.

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Unfortunately for you the only idiots here are actually the ones who buy the rubbish you're currently spouting.  This "Land of Jacob" you speak of, whatever the case may be it most certainly doesn't exist any more and now that patch of land it supposedly occupied is under different management now.  Ancient Israel is gone, trying to revive it will only create a whole plethora of problems, which it already has done.  If you forcibly evict a bunch of people from their homes, expect some of them to get violent, and expect all of them to be absolutely pissed off.

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You really must be a complete twit for thinking that you can preach Bible texts at me!  It won't work, seriously, so just drop it, now.

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What has political correctness got to do with it?  Nothing, that's what.  You know for well creating a state for the sole use of one group (racial, religious or otherwise) is effectively imposing a form of apartheid on that area.





Grief, the trouble with arguing with narrow-minded imbeciles is that there are very few rational ways to get back at them!

[ChrisJG777]

This "Land of Jacob" you speak of, whatever the case may be it most certainly doesn't exist any more and now that patch of land it supposedly occupied is under different management now.

which was all prophesied

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 Ancient Israel is gone, trying to revive it will only create a whole plethora of problems, which it already has done.  If you forcibly evict a bunch of people from their homes, expect some of them to get violent, and expect all of them to be absolutely pissed off.

which was all prophesied

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You really must be a complete twit for thinking that you can preach Bible texts at me!  It won't work

which was all prophesied

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What has political correctness got to do with it?  Nothing, that's what.  You know for well creating a state for the sole use of one group (racial, religious or otherwise) is effectively imposing a form of apartheid on that area.

yes, there will be an eternal "apartheid":  Luke 16:26 "between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us"...Rev 22:14 "Blessed are those who have the right to go through the gates into the city. 15Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood."

I don't know about you, but I want to be on the inside, not on the outside.

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Grief, the trouble with arguing with narrow-minded imbeciles is that there are very few rational ways to get back at them!

stop being a pawn 

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Show me where all these events were "Prophesied". The means in which (modern) Israel came is absolutely disgraceful, verging on downright evil in places.

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Your self-righteous, obnoxious, Bible thumping ways do not endear you to me, for one thing I am an Atheist so naturally I don't buy a single word of it (and if I have to go Richard Dawkins on you, I will).  Just don't try to use Biblical arguments on me- oh wait, you can't, because you don't know any other form of debate (I will retract that statement if you can prove otherwise).  If you want your arguments to be taken seriously, you will cease and desist in citing religious scripture of dubious accuracy, reliability and plausibility.

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You stop being a complete dick.  You think I'm a pawn for thinking for myself and not blindly following some scripture like you?  You're dumber than I thought.  It's people like you that really turn me off religion (Christianity in particular), and its people like you who give it (religion, Christianity) a bad name.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'll just sit back and shake my head disapprovingly at you.  Besides, it's not to hard to see that I'd have a better time discussing this with a brick wall, they provide more stimulating and intelligent responses anyway.