Canada Expels Indian diplomat after accusing India of killing their citizen on Canadian Soil

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This feels like one of those things that's so extreme that you don't do it unless you have serious proof, so I'm definitely holding off on condemning Canada right now.

Yeah, I'm at a loss here of what to believe. On one hand, overseas assassinations in western countries are simply not in Modi's (or India's) playbook. On the other hand, regardless of what I think of Trudeau, lying about this does not seem like something he would do.

Either India's fopo playbook has radically changed and they're suddenly doing things that only pariah states and superpowers can get away with, or Trudeau is making up a giant lie and creating an international incident for the sake of trying to create a "rally around the flag" support bump and distract from the housing/COL crisis in light of his recent polling collapse. I'm much more inclined to believe the former than the latter.

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The main Indian media (pro- and anti- BJP) talking point are

a) Evasive on if the Indian government had any involvement in the killing or not
b) Complain that  Trudeau and the Canadian government are harboring and enabling Khalistan terrorists
c) Blast Trudeau for making this public without evidence without committing to an assertion that the Indian government had nothing to do with the killing
d) Inferring and hinting that if the Indian government was behind it then it is a good thing anyway since he had it coming

Sounds like the classic "we didn't do this but hypothetically if we did it was totally justified".

[Aurelius2]

The main Indian media (pro- and anti- BJP) talking point are

a) Evasive on if the Indian government had any involvement in the killing or not
b) Complain that  Trudeau and the Canadian government are harboring and enabling Khalistan terrorists
c) Blast Trudeau for making this public without evidence without committing to an assertion that the Indian government had nothing to do with the killing
d) Inferring and hinting that if the Indian government was behind it then it is a good thing anyway since he had it coming

Sounds like the classic "we didn't do this but hypothetically if we did it was totally justified".

Do you support the Mossad and do you think we should emulate the Mossad by taking out Fentnyl dealers overseas like DeSantis wants to do .

If this guy was actually a terrorist and there is evidence Canada was harboring terrorists then I don’t see how it’s any different than what the Mossad or what DeSantis wants to do and btw I support both . The thing is we haven’t seen the evidence yet which is why the US has stayed quiet on this as well other than the typical “this needs to be investigated throughly” statement .

Just because I support justified foreign assassinations by my country (which does not mean I support all foreign assassinations by my country) doesn't mean I support unjustified foreign assassinations by other countries.

[Aurelius2]

The main Indian media (pro- and anti- BJP) talking point are

a) Evasive on if the Indian government had any involvement in the killing or not
b) Complain that  Trudeau and the Canadian government are harboring and enabling Khalistan terrorists
c) Blast Trudeau for making this public without evidence without committing to an assertion that the Indian government had nothing to do with the killing
d) Inferring and hinting that if the Indian government was behind it then it is a good thing anyway since he had it coming

Sounds like the classic "we didn't do this but hypothetically if we did it was totally justified".

Do you support the Mossad and do you think we should emulate the Mossad by taking out Fentnyl dealers overseas like DeSantis wants to do .

If this guy was actually a terrorist and there is evidence Canada was harboring terrorists then I don’t see how it’s any different than what the Mossad or what DeSantis wants to do and btw I support both . The thing is we haven’t seen the evidence yet which is why the US has stayed quiet on this as well other than the typical “this needs to be investigated throughly” statement .

Just because I support justified foreign assassinations by my country (which does not mean I support all foreign assassinations by my country) doesn't mean I support unjustified foreign assassinations by other countries.

If he was actually a terrorist then how would it be unjustified and any different from what the Mossad does .
 
Anyway how can you trust Trudeau on this given he did nothing to stop Chinese interference into Canadian elections so that proves he cares more about his own political prospects then the interests of his nation

What evidence is there that he was actually a terrorist? Advocating for Khalistan does not make someone a terrorist.

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sikh-nijjar-india-canada-trudeau-modi-1.6974607

Crucially:

The intelligence did not come solely from Canada. Some was provided by an unnamed ally in the Five Eyes intelligence alliance.

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India Today C-Voter survey on this crisis

What if India killed Khalistan terrorists
They did the right thing          61%
They are wrong                     14%

Is Trudeau supporting Khalistan terrorists
Yes                                      60%
No                                       18%

Did Indian agencies kill the Khalistan terrorist
Yes                                      16%
No                                       57%

Are Indian diplomats in Canada unsafe
Yes                                       54%
No                                        27%

Who cares what Indians think? This is an issue of Canadian sovereignty.

[Aurelius2]

It is important to note that Canada is a functioning country with high state capacity and an established extradition system. Canada and India established a bilateral extradition treaty in 1987.

For an extreme example of the opposite situation, when we went into Pakistan and killed Bin Laden, it was very obvious that Pakistan had no interest in cooperating and almost certainly had been aware of Bin Laden, who lived less than a mile from the national military academy. Pakistan is also a major funder of the Taliban, along with being a borderline failed state in many ways.

This is what I mean when I say that not all overseas assassinations are the same, and one being justified does not make the other justified. If a known terrorist was hiding in Pakistan and India took him out, I doubt any of us would be crying crocodile tears. There's also the issue that there is no evidence whatsoever that we have seen that this guy is an actual terrorist, not just someone who hangs out with unsavory people and supports a movement that the Indian government opposes (not without good reason, to be clear).

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-25/modi-s-party-linked-with-most-hate-speech-in-india-report-finds

"Modi’s Party Linked With Most Hate Speech in India, Report Finds"

Collective West MSN to Modi: Play ball or you will soon be lumped in with Trump, Putin, and other undesirables

As if people, especially outside Western sphere, cared about what mainstream media have to say about them. India (or Bharat) levels of nationalism these days are so absurdly high that it’s more likely that they turn India against them more than exercise any actual pressure on Modi.

Presumably this is for domestic Canadian consumption. Canadian social media is currently under siege from a massive troll army of Modi bhakts.