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Kalwejt
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« on: January 02, 2014, 04:25:39 PM »
« edited: January 02, 2014, 04:27:45 PM by Kalwejt »

I'm far from slobbering over Nixon. I simply think he should be judged objectively, his accomplishment included.

Nixon had remarkable accomplishments, such as Detente, opening on China or environmental regulations. At the same time there were leadership and moral faillings (Watergate, Cambodia, Chile). I know it's hard for some to consider the whole picture, but that's the truth: didn't deserve to be idolized, not to be overly demonized. Same thing with LBJ, actually.
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« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2014, 04:32:55 PM »


"Nixon was quite liberal President, more liberal than Obama, HURD DURR"
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« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2014, 05:04:26 PM »
« Edited: January 02, 2014, 05:08:39 PM by Kalwejt »

I'm far from slobbering over Nixon. I simply think he should be judged objectively, his accomplishment included.

Nixon had remarkable accomplishments, such as Detente, opening on China or environmental regulations. At the same time there were leadership and moral faillings (Watergate, Cambodia, Chile). I know it's hard for some to consider the whole picture, but that's the truth: didn't deserve to be idolized, not to be overly demonized. Same thing with LBJ, actually.

Yeah, I agree he shouldn't be demonized as well. Really, I think Oliver Stone depicted him very well, as a tormented and borderline psychotic man whose paranoias led him to espouse a pretty horrible worldview and abandon any sense of basic morality, but was also capable of doing good things when he got the occasion.

In all seriousness, I see where it is you're coming from, but let's be frank: Nixon was still a closed-doors bigot who ran a foreign policy only marginally better than LBJ's, on top of being an out-and-out criminal. I don't believe in demonizing people, and I do agree that it benefits us to look at him objectively, but he was still a pretty awful person.

I disagree with your assertion that his foreign policy was mariginally better than LBJ's since, unlike Johnson, he actually did accomplish something on this field (while indeed doing a lot of awful things). LBJ really sucked at this.

But, returning to main topic, yeah, Nixon was a psycho. Can't see anybody seriously disputing that.
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« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2014, 05:09:32 PM »

The followup to this is that cabal of posters that seems to fetishize Nixon as the "sane Republican" and then goes onto view him as greater than Reagan by mere process of deciding which one matches up with their political matrix score more. Also, it must be noted that if you hate Reagan, the natural thing would be to hate as well the man who laid the foundations for the approaching Republican resurgence.

Ah, the whole "Nixon was a moderate" meme.
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