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Kalwejt
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« on: December 28, 2016, 04:36:43 PM »

The arguments abour God given land and the return of the messias sound very ISIS-like.

You can criticize the Jews all you want but it's still THEIR LAND. They lived there centuries before Islam even began.

Though it ought to be point there were almost no Jews left in Palestine when the Muslims came and due to centuries of living there Arab have a right consider parts of Palestine "their land".

I really think this is a stupid argument. You have plenty of lands which were once dominated by one nationality but are now, frequently for centuries, a homeland to some other. There's too many examples to name there.

And, for the record, I've been always in favor of Israel's "right to exist". We may debate whether the Jewish state should've been established in Palestine, given centuries of no Jewish presence there and somehow artificial resettlement, but it's irrelevant. Israel exists since the late 1940s and you can't just reverse this basic fact. After experiences of the World War II, establishment of Jewish state was a necessity. It's too bad it turned into a prolonged conflict (started, it must be admitted, by the Arabs' initial refusal to share) though.

But this also means you can't reverse the basic fact parts of Palestine are an Arab homeland.
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« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2016, 04:38:54 PM »

I don't know why people are praising Obama for this. All this shows is that he is a coward that neither has the guts to stand up for Israel nor vote in favour of the resolution.

The United States remains and will remain Israel's closest ally. It's just the present administration doesn't blindly approve every move of the Israeli government. It's natural even among close allies.
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« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2016, 06:48:35 PM »

That's disgusting. The settlements are reprehensible.

Ordinary villages in which people build houses and live with their families are reprehensible, just because it's Jews living there? Antisemitism 101, and one day the world will understand the insane freakout over SETTLEMENTS is just that.

Or not. It's not as if I care much, because we will keep building until Mashiach comes anyway.

I can speak only for myself, and what I find reprehensible is when erecting such settlements is being done at cost of innocent people that are not Jews. I don't think you'd be thrilled about an Arab power forcing its way to build their own settlements on the Israeli soil.

And you'll be bloody right not to be happy about your homeland being colonized. But Palestinians also have their homeland.

I'm proud of a part of me that is of Jewish descent and I've always opposed idiots that would like to see Israel destroyed or left defenseless. If you want to call me an antisemite because I don't condone this particular policy you're free to do so. I see this policy as something fundamentally against the very idea of Jewish state formed, in a large part, in response to the horrors of the World War II. And no, I abhor morons making direct comparisons between the Israelis and the Nazis (this post being particulary tasteless), but I think Israel should be better than this.
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