'Van hits pedestrians' on London Bridge

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Ugh, I just had to purge this thread.

Keep it civil, guys.

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Call it for what it is. Some posters here would have no problem calling out White Terrorism, so call out Islamic terrorism. Stop beating around the bush.

Except this is not Islamic terrorism. We don't know even know who is responsible yet. Given past events, it may be ISIS related, which would be part of an extremist faction completely unrepresentative of Islam.

Spare us this bs.

Would you call, let's say, the LRA representative of Christianity? We can argue about the scale, but I can't possibly subscribe to this line of thinking.

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Isis is not representative of Islam and most mainstream Muslims are disgusted by them BUT isis and related groups are a product of long running theological and organisational movements within Islam. They wouldn't exist without the theological cover provided by mainstreamised anti semitism, rampant ultra-sectarianism, the unending war for mythical 'purity', the patriarchal power structures etc etc

A lot of blame belongs to our dear Saudi friends, who spent billions of their petrodolars on spreading the wahhabi school of Islam all around the world. It wasn't uncommon for the to offer "humanitarian aid" in war- or disaster-affected places "for free, just attend our little madrasa we set up ".

Can't think of a country that done more longterm damage in recent decades.

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Call it for what it is. Some posters here would have no problem calling out White Terrorism, so call out Islamic terrorism. Stop beating around the bush.

Except this is not Islamic terrorism. We don't know even know who is responsible yet. Given past events, it may be ISIS related, which would be part of an extremist faction completely unrepresentative of Islam.

Spare us this bs.

Would you call, let's say, the LRA representative of Christianity? We can argue about the scale, but I can't possibly subscribe to this line of thinking.

ISIS are obviously not "representative" of Islam but that doesn't mean they don't base their actions on Islamic scripture and theology. Baruch Goldstein surely wasn't "representative" of Judaism and yet that doesn't mean it wasn't Jewish terrorism either. But that was one attack, and it now seems we can't even have a week without Islamic terrorism in Europe. Doesn't mean most Muslims agree with it, that's fortunately not the case, but let's not lie to ourselves about the source of these radicals' thoughts.

All right, thanks for clarifying. They base their actions on very vulgarized and twisted interpretation of Islam. Heh, you can vulgarize every thought to justify your actions.

I'm not denying there's a problem and that they weren't Muslims, or at least considered themselves ones.

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Apologies for my thoughtless post, everyone.

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Trump using this to push for the Travel Ban again.

Already?