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Considering the pitfalls of the Bush Administration, I do not feel any candidate echoing them regardless of their views on Section 8 housing can sway my vote.

Let me say that though Brown supports President Bush in areas, she does not echo anyone. She is her own voice. If you won't support Brown, fine but don't accuse her of just an echo. She has strong beliefs and she will voice what she believes.

Oh, Brown supports President Bush IN THE MAJOR AREAS!  Abortion has always been a moot issue for me so her pro-choice stance means absolutely nothing.

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You really haven't a Goddamn clue do you?  You don't think anti-abortionism is horribly skewed against the poor and working class considering the economic factors I have listed above.  You are so vain and naive as to think the life of an unborn baby comes before that of a functioning human being.  You really have no clue as to what the average person around you goes through.  OK, you may be in one of those "Leave It To Beaver" type families where you're told "work hard, go to school, save money, raise a family."  Those are good values one should attain for and I'll agree with you.  However, the picture isn't always so rosy and you fail to realize that bigtime.  Like I said, it was A LOT easier to start a family at 19 years of age in the 1940s then it is today.  I feel there should be no law that should hinder the development of an EXISTING human being.  Overturning Roe v. Wade does just that.  It essentially forces a 16 year old girl, in many cases, to give up any chance at her future.  I feel there are a lot of gray areas here you are failing to  realize.  I don't like abortion either, but whatever the case many be, I can not be responsible for hindering it.

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You really haven't a Goddamn clue do you?  You don't think anti-abortionism is horribly skewed against the poor and working class

When a baby is aborted, Handzus, it doesn't matter if it's coming from a poor mother or a working class mother or a middle class mother or a wealthy mother. Maybe YOU haven't a clue.  If someone WILLINGLY gets pregnant, they are RESPONSIBLE for that life. Remember that Handzus, it's a LIFE.

Well maybe there are times a baby is better aborted (in the early stages of course).  The problem with you is you think within this little world of the white neighbood with a huge parish church in the middle.  Guess what, those days are coming to close buddy!  The reason Northeast Philly has an immodicum of conservatism is because these 50-60 something white men who were probably once Democrats are secure in their fixed pension from the FOP or wherever and think it's ok to now worry about a black person moving on their block or yes, abortion.  Some of these men are PETRIFIED of their precious white Catholic neighborhood turning black.  I feel many of these men must have forgot what it was like 30 years ago when they too were worried about getting drafted and not being able to find work.  

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First of all, I never said ALL, I know many who are as liberal as myself even more so.  I still feel that my assesment is fairly accurate.  There are a lot of previous Democrats that jumped on the GOP's bait in Northeast Philadelphia.  Do I not have an argument here?  Issues such as jobs and health care affect these people very little because they have it.  You have proven this point of mine in previous posts by saying hwo Section 8 and yes Medical Malpractice are teh end all be all of issues.  These are mere auxiliary issues the GOP in general just LOVE to bring to the forefront on their debates.  Yes issues such as Section 8 affect paying homeowners nearby, but compared to the job PAYING that mortgage, Section 8 is a mere pittance and the GOP knows it so they try to appeal to people on certain issues because they know their arguments are going to hold little water.

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You have proven this point of mine in previous posts by saying hwo Section 8 and yes Medical Malpractice are teh end all be all of issues.  

They are not the only issues. Brown is focusing on Section 8 reform, medical malpractice reform.. (which you still refuse to admit are two major issues here in PA 13. But that's ok. When the morning after the election roles around you'll see what is important to the voters)..tort reform, job creation, homeland security...her campaign is not just focused on Section 8, Handzus. You obviously don't know much about her candidacy if you think she is only stressing Section 8 reform.

OK, tort reform is the same as medical malpractice.  As for the latter issues, Allyson Schwartz has MUCH more detailed and concise opinions on them as well.  Melissa Brown's statement on job creation was merely Bush's tax cuts were helpgul which IMO is false.  THAT WAS IT!!

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You have proven this point of mine in previous posts by saying hwo Section 8 and yes Medical Malpractice are teh end all be all of issues.  

They are not the only issues. Brown is focusing on Section 8 reform, medical malpractice reform.. (which you still refuse to admit are two major issues here in PA 13. But that's ok. When the morning after the election roles around you'll see what is important to the voters)..tort reform, job creation, homeland security...her campaign is not just focused on Section 8, Handzus. You obviously don't know much about her candidacy if you think she is only stressing Section 8 reform.

 Melissa Brown's statement on job creation was merely Bush's tax cuts were helpgul which IMO is false.  THAT WAS IT!!

Really? Well you continue to prove to me that you know nothing about the candidate. Read this Handzus, and then tell me all she mentions are Bush's tax cuts... http://www.melissabrownforcongress.com/issues/jobs.htm

Never mind.  However, I will still go with the fact she does not even come close to Allyson Schwartz's positions.

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Melissa Brown for congress..... Stop section 8 housing vote melissa brown for congress heheh.... the only issue she uses because it can help her win her race against the nice and intellectual Allyson Schwartz. Allyson Schwartz for congress.... Affordable Prescription Drugs for ALL....... Your choice who is the better candidate. Melissa needs to stop verbally attacking her candidates. People are picking up on it Joe Hoeffel, Ellen Bard, and now Allyson Schwartz am I the only one seeing this pattern. I highly doubt it.

You really don't want to admit that Section 8 is NOT the only issue Brown is bringing up. Jobs, homeland security, medical malpractice...you really need to realize that she is discussing all types of issues while Schwartz ignores what is important. AND Brown is not verbally attacking Schwartz. I have never see that happen, Demotroll, and I bet you didn't either.

Well she did to Joe Hoeffel and Ellen Bard.  Jobs??? HA!  What lot of jobs at Wal-Mart that pay $6/hr. with no benefits!! Come on here.  She thinks that tax breaks for the wealthy create jobs.  Trickle down economics does not work son.  

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Dude, how freaking vain are you?  Jobs, PLEASE!  Melissa Brown unabashedly supports this boneheaded adminstration along with the pricks in the House and Senate that go along with it.  People in both Northeast Phialdelphia and Montogomery Co. voted Hoeffel in 2002 and what makes 2004 is any different?  You have yet to answer that.  I knwo Section 8 is an issue, but not of Congressional importance.  You have no clue do you?

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Hey Phil, I think people will elect Allyson Schwartz in November because she has done a lot for her district as state senator and it will carry onto Congress. I think she has the right stuff to get Affordable Prescription Drugs for all and Jobs with good benefits in NE Philly and Mont Co. The kind of stuff Melissa Brown doesn't have.

Or as small buisness owner? Brown has experience on issues like job creation and medical malpractice and prescription drugs.

If I'm not mistaken didn't she bankrupt that business?  You know the insurance company she formed with her husband.  Yeah, people in the 13th District really buy into Enron Economics.  Like hell I'll vote for another example of it on my watch.

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I would also like to point out a few local GOP's "race baiting" games.  All of these candidates currently running for the US House have made such statements that have directly mentioned race or insinuated it:

PA-1:  Deborah Williams regarding Bob Brady.  "Unions are for white people."

PA-2:  Stewart Bolno (a white male)-  African Americans should ignore the "white liberals" because they use them.

PA-13:  Melissa Brown...  Basically insinutaes racial fear in trying to get her vote.  Unlike the first two clowns, she's actually playing to whiteness to vote GOP.

This is really interesting stuff.  It's amazing they can not stand toe to toe with the Democrats on real issues instead these @sswipes use the race card to further their agenda.  

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Hey Handzus that is pretty neat how you put these three races together and shown  how they use the race card to win their election.

Come to think of it, it's really sad how they try to win elections using these tactics because they have little else to rely on.  PA-1 and PA-2 are locks for the Democrats regardless, but if PA-13 goes GOP, it will be because of race and people know it.  Ellen Bard would have been the GOP's best chance.  People out in Montgomery who voted Bard want nothing to do with Brown and Bard is not endorsing her, yet Torsella is endorsing Schwartz.  I hope Torsella unifies the Democrats and tells his supporters from Northeast Philly to vote Schwartz.  I'm on AIM btw.

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You're so touting how Melissa Brown is a business owner, yet she ran a business into bankruptcy just like Bush did 4 times and Enron.  Is this something I'm supposed to buy? Hardly!  

I'll admit I have changed my postion on Bard or Brown being the best because Bard would practically lock Montgomery County and siphon the Northeast Philly GOP.  Brown is NOT getting overwhelming support from the GOP in Montgomery County.  She definitely needs NE Philadelphia Dems to win and considering the state of the economy, she'll only get a few of those coupled with the fact Joe Torsella has pushed for Schwartz.  Same can't be said for Bard supporters and Brown.  The primary in Montgomery County caused too much bad blood within the GOP plus the fact that Bob Asher, a convicted felon and known in Montco, is backing Brown.  The only fortunate thing for Brown is she can put it past her in the Northeast.  Unfortunately, Brown will get no more than 50% here because there are just too many people that outright fear the national (were not talking about Perzel and Taylor here) Republican party in Philadelphia, especially the New Deal seniors and you know there are many of them.  There are also many trades union people that are anti-GOP as well.  Where Brown's support is going to come from are the NE residents and their spouses of the FOP.  Despite their endorsement, many white cops go GOP anyway, but even that maybe questionable due to other economic factors as well.      

As for the race card, yes I'll admit Street used it and I didn't vote for him as a result.  I will own up to our bad apples in our tent when need be.  The question is will you?

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You're so touting how Melissa Brown is a business owner, yet she ran a business into bankruptcy just like Bush did 4 times and Enron.  Is this something I'm supposed to buy? Hardly!  

If you don't know if her buisness went bankrupt, why would you compare her buisness to Enron? My point is, don't say it if you don't even know if she went bankrupt! Plus, IF her buisness went bankrupt, it would not be an Enron type bankruptcy and you know that.

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My candidate is not playing the race card with this issue. In 2002, the Dems actually did. Labeling her a "racist" for bringing up an issue that the people want discussed! Demotroll has stated before that Schwartz refuses to mention Section 8 reform. How come, Handzus? Why isn't she discussing this important issue? You get to decide what is important in your eyes but you don't get to decide what is important in the eyes of other voters, Handzus. So aside from the point that you don't think this is as important, what would you say to the majority of votes that DO see it as a crucial issue? And why isn't Schwartz discussing this?

Melissa Brown did more that just "bring up" Section 8.  And yes she insinuated the race card very much so in 2002.  She falsely said Hoeffel was endorsed by Al Sharpton, sent out campaign literature showing a picture of Hoeffel with Street, and said a vote for Hoeffel will drive down property values and make Section 8 run rampant in Northeast Philly.  She may have not directly mentioned race, but her objective was to stir racial fears and you know it.  Like I have said before, Hoeffel along with Jon Saidel, pushed for a mortatorium on Section 8.  Above Cottman Ave., there has been little problems and housing prices have skyrocketed.  Most of the problems associated with Section 8 are in Bob Brady's part of the Northeast in places such as Juniata, Frankford, Summerdale, Olney, Feltonville, and Kensington where the damage has been done 10-20 years ago when no one could foresee it.  I'm sure my friends, neighbors and relatives have been more effected by it than you, yet I'm not wooing Melissa Brown so quickly and I know others aren't.  Yeah, Hoeffel won the Northeast and if Brown wants to bring sh**t like she did in 2002, she'll get laughed out.  Her gameplan is known and Schwartz has millions to attack it.        

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What more can Brown do regarding Section 8 other than eliminating it?  Please enlighten me.  I think after the crap Bush has pulled, people are A LOT more privvy to other issues than they were in 2002 and still Brown lost, though narrowly.

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What more can Brown do regarding Section 8 other than eliminating it?  

A lot more than what is being done now....

http://www.melissabrownforcongress.com/issues/Section%208.htm

You and I both know that more reform is needed and can be achieved. You just don't want to give Brown credit. Once Hoeffel is able to do something it's great and wonderful but if Brown were to get to Congress it's the same old   Oh she can't do anything about it line from you.

I think you're prioritizing one issue too much and giving Brown too much credit on one issue.  In fact, it was Jonathan Saidel who pushed harder for the mortatorium.  It's the city government that's responsible for the distribution and policing of Section 8 housing, not the feds.  All the federal government does is provide the funding for these programs.  You are failing to realize an awful lot here.  Most of the Northeast below Cottman Ave. is toast anyway regardless of who gets elected adn you knwo what I don't think it would matter above Cottman Ave either.

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I'm not going to vote for someone just because they are merely "talking" about something.  I'm just saying Schwartz's plan holds a heck of  alot more water than Brown's plans.

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Yeah KeystonePhil, there are a lot of things you know the voter in PA-13 like myself want discussed and what postions they take Melissa Brown is either holding back on or taking a position that does not agree with mine and I knwo I'm not alone.  Say universal health care, energy indpendence, rolling back some of the tax breaks for the wealthy, etc.    

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I did some research today with HUD and Philadelphia Housing Authority. The issue of section 8 housing should be discussed because on the websites that I went to there was nothing about applications anything at all having to do with Section 8. Therefore it is not an extreme issue. That is why Allyson Schwartz is not emphasizing on the issue Melissa is because she has no other issues to help her win.

Excellent point Demoteen.  As I have stated earlier Joe Hoeffel and Jon Saidel have pushed on this issue very hard.  I was not on AIM when you asked btw.  What damage is done has been done.  It is going to make no difference if Allyson Schwartz or Melissa Brown is elected to Congress on the issue of Section 8.  For being such a young guy, you are doing your homework on this and I give you props.  It's unfortunate people 2,3, and 4 times your age are spitting out ridiculous rhetoric a la Fox News or Melissa Brown.  Northeast conservatives spit this garbage out of anger even though they are or once were Democrats.  

It seems as if your buddy Tim has a lot of problems with Allyson Schwartz.  Funny I was driving someone back to the Northeast from Finnegan's Wake last night.  He was very drunk, but it appears as if he blindly supports Bush because of the association with Street.  I started talking about the tax cuts and other economic issues and he just blanked out.    

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Party Registration: PA-13 (2002)

R: 45%
D: 45%
I: 9%

Thanks for pointing that out.  I just heard Northeast Philadelphia's Democratic registration increased 4% since 2000.  Just want to add that facta s well.  Sorry to depress you KeystonePhil.    

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I'd like to agree with Handzus about that fact because I was at the library the other day looking at the different congressional districts and their census. In Pa 13 there has been a 4 percent increase in favor of the democrats in this district. The republican party is going to really work hard in order to win this seat.

I can't think of the site, but I know there's good resources online if you're interested.  

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I got to do this one for humor based on my RNC Convention Post.  Just humor:

MeliSSa Brown Campaign Rally at Willow Grove A.F.B

4:00 p.m.  MeliSSa Brown gives opening speech on how to rob patients and their HMOs.
4:30 p.m.  Bob Asher gives speech on "Ethics in Republican Politics" and endorses MeliSSa Brown
5:00 p.m.  David Duke gives speech on white supermacy and how blacks and whites shouldn't live in the same neighborhood and endorses MeliSSa Brown
5:30 p.m.  MeliSSa Brown gives speech on David Duke's dedication to the quality of life in Northeast Philadelphia
6:00 p.m.  John Perzel gives speech on pork barreling
6:30 p.m.  Ann Coulter gives speech about how MeliSSa Brown shares her values as a great Republican woman and endorses her
7:00 p.m.  Rick Santorum gives speech on how gays are bad and abortion in wrong, but then slips and realizes MeliSSa Brown is pro-choice.  He still endorses her.
7:30-8:30 p.m.  Intermission.  MeliSSa Brown, David Duke, Rick Santorum, and Ann Coulter all discuss plans on how to eliminate gays and minorites from advancement.  They also discuss how they can use the miliatary to "Christianize" the world.  Local Republican moron Joe Nicoletti is just dying to shake all their hands and says to them it is ok for all these spoiled youth in the Philadelphia area to go off and die for imperialistic causes.  He gets his picture taken with them.  John Perzel is stuffing his face and Bob Asher is on his cell phone with one of his many lawyers.  Asher asks one of his buddies if convinced that he gets the best prison cell.
8:30 p.m MeliSSa Brown comes back to the podium and discusses why lower taxes for the wealthy are a good thing while the middle class should pay more.  She gives some BS like "Oh, the rich will HIRE more people. What do I know, i'm just a girl".  
9:00 p.m.  George Bush files in on Air Force One and credits MeliSSa Brown for her intelligence.  He says his party would be nothing without people like her to know how to "divide and conquer" or so his daddy told him.
9:30 p.m  Salute to the Nazi flag.  HEIL BUSH! HEIL SANTORUM! HEIL BROWN! HEIL COULTER! HEIL ASHER!  Joe Nicoletti is having such a rush of excitement he pisses himself.

Note to those outside me and Keystone Phil's neighborhood:  Joe Nicoletti is a frequent neo-conservative letter writer to our local paper.  If you would like to check the source of some of his ramblings:  www.northeasttimes.com

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Hmmmmmm I'm sure you worked on that one all night Handzus. Like usual, Handzus can't argue in a mature way so he needs result to this.

The sad part, Handzus, is that you say they salute the Nazi flag and you say MeliSSa. You're dislike for her has gotten so crazy, you've gone into a troll-like phase. I think you're finally realizing Brown will win so you result to this. What a shame...

The REAL sad thing here is you and a lot of people in Northeast Philadelphia can't see through her BS campaign.  Ok, I might have went a smidge too far with the SS thing, but her campaign is strikingly similar to what wealthy Southern whites did as a "divide and conquer" scheme to get poor whites to blame it on the balcks.  A wealthy doctor running for Congress trying to strike racial fear in the good working class people of Northeast Phialdelphia is sickening.  It may not be nearly as extreme as cross burning, but the concept it there.    

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Hmmmmmm I'm sure you worked on that one all night Handzus. Like usual, Handzus can't argue in a mature way so he needs result to this.

The sad part, Handzus, is that you say they salute the Nazi flag and you say MeliSSa. You're dislike for her has gotten so crazy, you've gone into a troll-like phase. I think you're finally realizing Brown will win so you result to this. What a shame...

A wealthy doctor running for Congress trying to strike racial fear in the good working class people of Northeast Phialdelphia is sickening.    

  Oh give me a break, Handzus. We used to be able to debate the issues and stuff but now you have just gotten ridiculous. Let me tell you something, this "trying to strike racial fear" stuff you're throwing around is starting to annoy me because I know it's not true. This isn't about race. The people effected by section 8 have said it's not about race, Melissa Brown has said it's not about race...so give it up.

  And you want to talk about wealth? Schwartz is wealthy too and she didn't even live in this district. So it's ok for that wealthy state senator to move into a district and not address the issues that people care about but its terrible if a wealthy doctor, who has lived here much longer, talks about what is important to the voters? Give me a break, Handzus. That "trying to strike racial fear" line is ridiculous and the people are going to see it.

  And no you didn't go a "smidge" far with the SS and Nazi salute, you went very far. Your dislike for Brown is so ridiculous, Handzus. THAT, my friend, is sickening.

Are you kidding me?  Is your head that far up your @ss when it comes to the Republican party?  The fact that Melissa Brown tried to compare Joe Hoeffel to Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson was not only false, but it just made it obvious hwo she was going to go about it.  Melissa Brown is a wealthy racist debutante reptile.        

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Well she did make it seem Joe Hoeffel and John Street were going to let Section 8 run rampant in Northeast Philadelphia.  Wow, was she wrong again.  It was not Joe Hoeffel, in fact he helped get the mortatorium passed.  Get your facts straight before you buy into this Archie Bunker propaganda!  

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Well she did make it seem Joe Hoeffel and John Street were going to let Section 8 run rampant in Northeast Philadelphia.  Wow, was she wrong again.  It was not Joe Hoeffel, in fact he helped get the mortatorium passed.  Get your facts straight before you buy into this Archie Bunker propaganda!  

Actually she was saying that Street and Hoeffel aren't doing enough to reform the system. the mortatorium is a good step but there is much more that needs to be done.

Now I'm still waiting for your facts that show Brown to be a racist and her connection to that Sharpton-Hoeffel literature from 2002. You made the accusation now back it up.

Tell me what more could be done other than eliminating the sytem altogether?  I have an idea though.  Instead of dumping most of the tenants in Northeast Philadelphia, why don't some of them go to the suburbs?  As for the Sharpton-Hoeffel lit, it was 2002. Finding a source would be tough.