Santorum to kids of gay parents: You'd be better off with a dad in jail

[Penelope]

Liberals are so open-minded and tolerant until they find out there are different ideas than their own.

I have been neither vulgar nor inappropriate. If you want vulgar and inappropriate on this subject matter, try having this conversation with African-American Democrats in Detroit.

I consider you claiming that I will never be accepted in society (without any real evidence or convincing testament), and that implying that I should move to New York, San Francisco, or some other "sanctuary city" if I want to be accepted, sort of inappropriate and vulgar on your part.

[Penelope]

Will homosexuals and heterosexuals at some point silently agree that things worked a lot better for both sides when open homosexuals stuck to San Francisco, Los Angeles and New York?

Fair or not, and I certainly have no problem with homosexuals or homosexuality unlike most folks I know, homosexuals will never be embraced by society at large to the degree they fantasize about. Unfortunately, they will always be treated as second-class except where they are heavily concentrated. The best they could have ever hoped for was having their own mecca in San Francisco. AIDS kind of prevented that, I guess.

So you would support rounding up all the gays and sending them to SF, LA and NYC? Maybe in nice little camps?

No, I would prefer homosexuals being openly accepted in society at large, but that is never going to happen

"Well, I have nothing against negroes, but integration is never going to happen"

I'm pretty sure you could take all of Politico's posts in this thread, change the context, and it'd be seamless.

[Penelope]

Well, I am sorry you see it that way. I didn't make this world. I'm just trying to describe it the way I see it from my vantage point. I certainly wish it were different. There is absolutely no reason why people should have hostility towards homosexuals like Santorum and others do. But they do, and I am not sure things will ever be for homosexuals in society at large the way that they are today for African-Americans, for example. The way I see it, and I certainly do not like this, they will always be treated as second-class except where they are most heavily concentrated. That's why I suggested that perhaps relations would be better if things reverted to the way they were in the late 1970s where most homosexuals either kept a low-profile or moved to San Francisco, New York or Los Angeles...

You just might be the worst poster on this entire site. If you don't like bis, gays, and lesbians, please just come out and say it and stop doing this "Well I don't like it, but everyone hates gays" bullsh**t.

Will homosexuals and heterosexuals at some point silently agree that things worked a lot better for both sides when open homosexuals stuck to San Francisco, Los Angeles and New York?

Fair or not, and I certainly have no problem with homosexuals or homosexuality unlike most folks I know, homosexuals will never be embraced by society at large to the degree they fantasize about. Unfortunately, they will always be treated as second-class except where they are heavily concentrated. The best they could have ever hoped for was having their own mecca in San Francisco. AIDS kind of prevented that, I guess.

So you would support rounding up all the gays and sending them to SF, LA and NYC? Maybe in nice little camps?

No, I would prefer homosexuals being openly accepted in society at large, but that is never going to happen

"Well, I have nothing against negroes, but integration is never going to happen"

I'm pretty sure you could take all of Politico's posts in this thread, change the context, and it'd be seamless.

If racial issues are identical to sexual issues, can you explain why support for even gay marriage is so low among African-American Democrats?

It is likely because African-American Democrats are generally very religious and therefore are probably pretty socially conservative.

You realize that African-Americans don't have to agree to gay marriage for it to be a similar issue, right? ..Right?

[Penelope]

Liberals are so open-minded and tolerant until they find out there are different ideas than their own.

I have been neither vulgar nor inappropriate. If you want vulgar and inappropriate on this subject matter, try having this conversation with African-American Democrats in Detroit.

I consider you claiming that I will never be accepted in society (without any real evidence or convincing testament), and that implying that I should move to New York, San Francisco, or some other "sanctuary city" if I want to be accepted, sort of inappropriate and vulgar on your part.

The way I see it, and I certainly do not like this, negroes will always be treated as second-class except where they are most heavily concentrated. That's why I suggested that perhaps relations would be better if things reverted to the way they were before slavery where most blacks either kept a low-profile or moved to Africa.

We could do this all day.

I support gay marriage. The leader of the Democratic Party, your party, does not. Furthermore, gay marriage is more staunchly opposed by African-American Democrats than any other group in America. Why is that?

Then why are you doing this???

Supporting gay marriage =/= being fine with gay people.

That's why I suggested that perhaps relations would be better if things reverted to the way they were in the late 1970s where most homosexuals either kept a low-profile or moved to San Francisco, New York or Los Angeles...

You do realise it wasn't like that back then.

Also this.

[Penelope]

You just might be the worst poster on this entire site. If you don't like bis, gays, and lesbians, please just come out and say it and stop doing this "Well I don't like it, but everyone hates gays" bullsh**t.

I have no problems whatsoever with homosexuals and I am not disclosing my personal sexual preferences on here, so you really have no idea whether or not I am even a homosexual. I thought it was self-evident that many other people have problems with homosexuals, exemplified by yet another anti-homosexual comment by Rick Santorum, so I tried giving an explanation as to why this is the case. I may very well be wrong.

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You do realize that if it was really a similar issue then the victims of segregation would most presumably be the first to rally to the cause, right?

You are wrong, evidence has been given to you in this thread (by Scott IIRC - he posted the Same Sex Marriage support graph) that contradicts your insane position.

Also, no, the victims of segregation would not necessarily be the first to rally around the cause. The religiousness of African Americans makes them the least likely Demographic to identify with the cause of the LGBT movement.

Liberals are so open-minded and tolerant until they find out there are different ideas than their own.

I have been neither vulgar nor inappropriate. If you want vulgar and inappropriate on this subject matter, try having this conversation with African-American Democrats in Detroit.

I consider you claiming that I will never be accepted in society (without any real evidence or convincing testament), and that implying that I should move to New York, San Francisco, or some other "sanctuary city" if I want to be accepted, sort of inappropriate and vulgar on your part.

The way I see it, and I certainly do not like this, negroes will always be treated as second-class except where they are most heavily concentrated. That's why I suggested that perhaps relations would be better if things reverted to the way they were before slavery where most blacks either kept a low-profile or moved to Africa.

We could do this all day.

I support gay marriage. The leader of the Democratic Party, your party, does not. Furthermore, gay marriage is more staunchly opposed by African-American Democrats than any other group in America. Why is that?

Interesting how a supporter of gay marriage would use such strong, pro-segregation rhetoric, then.  And this...

It is likely because African-American Democrats are generally very religious and therefore are probably pretty socially conservative.

You realize that African-Americans don't have to agree to gay marriage for it to be a similar issue, right? ..Right?

...pretty much answers your question.  I don't think that statistic justifies it in any way.

Name some victims of segregation who have rallied to the cause of gay rights and gay marriage. I do not see any African-Americans in the Democratic Party doing so. Why is that?

BECAUSE AFRICAN AMERICANS ARE EXTREMELY RELIGIOUS WHICH MAKES THEM THE LEAST LIKELY TO SUPPORT A RELIGIOUSLY CHARGED ISSUE SUCH AS HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE.

[Penelope]

That's why I suggested that perhaps relations would be better if things reverted to the way they were in the late 1970s where most homosexuals either kept a low-profile or moved to San Francisco, New York or Los Angeles...

You do realise it wasn't like that back then.

It is called a generalization.

You've certainly been making a great deal of those today.

[Penelope]

I don't want to live on this planet anymore if people really believe that social darwinist, biologically deterministic, hippy-dippy "we're all just animals" f-cking bullsh-t.

Just find out what makes you happy without hurting others, and don't worry about the rest of society. Never ever forget: We're not all on this together.

Right, we're not on it together, because we're in it together.

Obviously a typo, but you're either young or delusional if you think we're all in this together. That's not how the world really works.

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I personally dislike the terms straight and gay. If I were being clinical, I'd be talking about men who have sex with men, for example.

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And what is your explanation as to why there is an enormous schism between African-American Democrats and the LGBT community (There, I used "hip" lingo instead of homosexual)?

Nevermind, you're the most hilarious poster on the forum.

[Penelope]

Liberals are so open-minded and tolerant until they find out there are different ideas than their own.

I have been neither vulgar nor inappropriate. If you want vulgar and inappropriate on this subject matter, try having this conversation with African-American Democrats in Detroit.

I consider you claiming that I will never be accepted in society (without any real evidence or convincing testament), and that implying that I should move to New York, San Francisco, or some other "sanctuary city" if I want to be accepted, sort of inappropriate and vulgar on your part.

The way I see it, and I certainly do not like this, negroes will always be treated as second-class except where they are most heavily concentrated. That's why I suggested that perhaps relations would be better if things reverted to the way they were before slavery where most blacks either kept a low-profile or moved to Africa.

We could do this all day.

I support gay marriage. The leader of the Democratic Party, your party, does not. Furthermore, gay marriage is more staunchly opposed by African-American Democrats than any other group in America. Why is that?

Interesting how a supporter of gay marriage would use such strong, pro-segregation rhetoric, then.  And this...

It is likely because African-American Democrats are generally very religious and therefore are probably pretty socially conservative.

You realize that African-Americans don't have to agree to gay marriage for it to be a similar issue, right? ..Right?

...pretty much answers your question.  I don't think that statistic justifies it in any way.

Name some victims of segregation who have rallied to the cause of gay rights and gay marriage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayard_Rustin

[Penelope]

Liberals are so open-minded and tolerant until they find out there are different ideas than their own.

I have been neither vulgar nor inappropriate. If you want vulgar and inappropriate on this subject matter, try having this conversation with African-American Democrats in Detroit.

I consider you claiming that I will never be accepted in society (without any real evidence or convincing testament), and that implying that I should move to New York, San Francisco, or some other "sanctuary city" if I want to be accepted, sort of inappropriate and vulgar on your part.

The way I see it, and I certainly do not like this, negroes will always be treated as second-class except where they are most heavily concentrated. That's why I suggested that perhaps relations would be better if things reverted to the way they were before slavery where most blacks either kept a low-profile or moved to Africa.

We could do this all day.

I support gay marriage. The leader of the Democratic Party, your party, does not. Furthermore, gay marriage is more staunchly opposed by African-American Democrats than any other group in America. Why is that?

Interesting how a supporter of gay marriage would use such strong, pro-segregation rhetoric, then.  And this...

It is likely because African-American Democrats are generally very religious and therefore are probably pretty socially conservative.

You realize that African-Americans don't have to agree to gay marriage for it to be a similar issue, right? ..Right?

...pretty much answers your question.  I don't think that statistic justifies it in any way.

Name some victims of segregation who have rallied to the cause of gay rights and gay marriage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayard_Rustin

Name more than one victim of segregation who has rallied to the cause of gay rights and gay marriage, and was not a gay man himself, and did not die over a quarter century ago...

lol

[Penelope]

So guys, anyone else pumped for The Dark Knight Rises?

[Penelope]

Liberals are so open-minded and tolerant until they find out there are different ideas than their own.

I have been neither vulgar nor inappropriate. If you want vulgar and inappropriate on this subject matter, try having this conversation with African-American Democrats in Detroit.

I consider you claiming that I will never be accepted in society (without any real evidence or convincing testament), and that implying that I should move to New York, San Francisco, or some other "sanctuary city" if I want to be accepted, sort of inappropriate and vulgar on your part.

The way I see it, and I certainly do not like this, negroes will always be treated as second-class except where they are most heavily concentrated. That's why I suggested that perhaps relations would be better if things reverted to the way they were before slavery where most blacks either kept a low-profile or moved to Africa.

We could do this all day.

I support gay marriage. The leader of the Democratic Party, your party, does not. Furthermore, gay marriage is more staunchly opposed by African-American Democrats than any other group in America. Why is that?

Interesting how a supporter of gay marriage would use such strong, pro-segregation rhetoric, then.  And this...

It is likely because African-American Democrats are generally very religious and therefore are probably pretty socially conservative.

You realize that African-Americans don't have to agree to gay marriage for it to be a similar issue, right? ..Right?

...pretty much answers your question.  I don't think that statistic justifies it in any way.

Name some victims of segregation who have rallied to the cause of gay rights and gay marriage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayard_Rustin

Name more than one victim of segregation who has rallied to the cause of gay rights and gay marriage, and was not a gay man himself, and did not die over a quarter century ago...

Because there are so few and they're so elusive that we have to PROVE they exist.

Hurrrrr

Well, you would think you could do better than one gay man who died over a quarter century ago.

LOL BECAUSE ALL BLACK PEOPLE THINK ALIKE AND SO THERE'S NO BLACK PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT GAY RIGHTS LOLOLOL

And now we've come full circle!

[Penelope]

It's over.