Hate Crime Laws Abolition Bill

[MasterJedi]

And of course I am for this since I came up with the idea and got Emsworth to give major help in writing it and introduced it.

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While I don't like the idea of someone getting a longer sentance for, say, murder, simply because a crime is racially motivated is an especially good or clever idea, I do think that it's important to keep track of the number of racially motivated crimes and would like something doing that added to the bill.

I wouldn't mind if you wrote and amendment like that and in fact would probably support it.

[MasterJedi]

Since Al really hasn't written anything to this I'll take a whack at it.


4. The Atlasian government shall keep track of the number of racially motivated crimes committed after the passage and implementation of this bill. 

[MasterJedi]

Why do we need to do that?

As Al said it let's us see how many crimes are racially motivated in Atlasia.

[MasterJedi]

Al has been making good points, especially in his latest post.

[MasterJedi]

I'm aware that it does not trample anyone's rights directly, but keeping track of 'racial tensions' in certain areas strikes me as ripe for abuse if done improperly.

But not monitoring that situation would be a gross failure of Government's duty to protect the people. If you don't bother to watch this sort of thing you end up with things spiralling out of control, and before you know what's hit you, you get riots.
At the same time I think a black familiy is entitled to know if the community they're about to move to has a serious problem with racially motivated crimes.

How would this data be available to the general public?

Also what about crimes motivated on hatred of sexual orientation, religion, or sex?  Would we have to keep data on those too?

It could be available via internet or other sources.

No not with this bill. This bill deals with hate crimes. If someome wanted to they could make a bill that would add to said database with those others but I seriously doubt that would happen.

[MasterJedi]

If you beat up someone because he's gay, how is that not a hate crime?

Unless we extend this policy of keeping data on racially motivated crimes to also keeping data on crimes that were done based on hatred of sexual orientation it would be discriminatory.

1. That's why I entered this bill and it says "racially motivated hate crimes" in my amendment.

2. How is giving people information discriminatory?

We know you'll vote against it and Al and I will vote for it. Why don't you try with other people to defeat the amendment then instead of arguing and not getting anywhere?

[MasterJedi]

If you give black families moving into neighborhoods information about the racially motivated crimes that occured there, it is only fair to give gay people the same information regarding anti-gay motivated crimes.

And if somebody wanted to try to do that, that's fine by me but that wouldn't go with this bill.

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You also should give people who like kangaroos information of their new home's kangaroo approval rating.

Way off topic...but oh wait....that's what you were trying to do! (Really you think you're making fun of the amendment but you're not. )

[MasterJedi]

It would go with this bill perfectly fine.  Aren't you aware that the U.S. Senate has voted several times to extend the definition of "hate crimes" to include sexual orientation?  Hate crimes don't apply specifically to race.

What, now you want me to write that into the amendment or what?

[MasterJedi]

No, I'm just saying the amendment is discriminatory in its current form.

Then vote against it and get other people to if you want it to fail, that's really all you can do.

[MasterJedi]

Aye

[MasterJedi]

If I've gotten this right:

4 Aye
2 Nay
2 Abstain

So if one more person votes Aye or Abstain this passes.

[MasterJedi]

Oh all right if you must, I'll support this bill like Al.

[MasterJedi]

There's been 24 hours with no debate an Ebowed',s amendment, can we have a vote?

[MasterJedi]

Aye

[MasterJedi]

Aye