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Del Tachi
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« on: April 18, 2023, 01:14:29 PM »

If America is to become an autocracy over the next couple decades, it will be from Democrats, not Republicans. This is not because Democrats are more inclined to make America autocratic- the opposite is true- but because they have the support required to make America autocratic (or at least, more support than Republicans do).

This is maybe your worst post. The logic is lacking in a major way.

Autocratization happens easiest when a majority of people support the people doing the autocratization. It’s really, really hard for a minority of people in a democracy to install a dictatorship with them at the top, as a simple understanding of history would tell you.

The Democratic Party has shown no interest in attacking democracy. They certainly like corruption, the status wuo, crushing progressives and anti-corruption candidates, and ensuring that the establishment stays in power over outsiders (within their own party). They usually vocally fight back against Republican attacks on democracy. They may be in a good position to do it, but that doesn't mean anything if they have zero intentions of pursuing it.

The Democrats' only coherent governing principle since Donald Trump was elected has been autocratization.  Their answer to the "threat" Trump poses to "democracy" is to preemptively attack and dismantle democracy on their own terms.  This attack takes many forms, some relatively benign (like suggesting we pack the Supreme Court), others more existential (extreme scientism and technocracy.)

It's uncanny how the response to authoritarianism is always to reinforce the existing, "authorized" authorities.   
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Del Tachi
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« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2023, 01:30:38 PM »

If America is to become an autocracy over the next couple decades, it will be from Democrats, not Republicans. This is not because Democrats are more inclined to make America autocratic- the opposite is true- but because they have the support required to make America autocratic (or at least, more support than Republicans do).

This is maybe your worst post. The logic is lacking in a major way.

Autocratization happens easiest when a majority of people support the people doing the autocratization. It’s really, really hard for a minority of people in a democracy to install a dictatorship with them at the top, as a simple understanding of history would tell you.

The Democratic Party has shown no interest in attacking democracy. They certainly like corruption, the status wuo, crushing progressives and anti-corruption candidates, and ensuring that the establishment stays in power over outsiders (within their own party). They usually vocally fight back against Republican attacks on democracy. They may be in a good position to do it, but that doesn't mean anything if they have zero intentions of pursuing it.

The Democrats' only coherent governing principle since Donald Trump was elected has been autocratization.  Their answer to the "threat" Trump poses to "democracy" is to preemptively attack and dismantle democracy on their own terms.  This attack takes many forms, some relatively benign (like suggesting we pack the Supreme Court), others more existential (extreme scientism and technocracy.)

It's uncanny how the response to authoritarianism is always to reinforce the existing, "authorized" authorities.   

You mean above and beyond the lies, schemes, and conspiracies that have already fundamentally changed our form of government and the social contract between approximately April 2016 and today?

A democratic system of government does not guarantee freedom from "lies, schemes and conspiracies."  You are essentially admitting you're ok with less democracy if it means Trump and the Republicans lose.
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