Should schools be able to expel students because of their speech

[King]

The Bill of Rights is between the federal government and the people not the University of Oklahoma and the people. There are no freedom of speech rights held by students.

[King]

The Bill of Rights is between the federal government and the people not the University of Oklahoma and the people. There are no freedom of speech rights held by students.

Do you really believe that the bill of rights doesn't apply to state governments? This is a position held mostly by Paultard weirdos and Confederate revanchists.

I wasn't referring to federal government to mean the national government, but the strict sense of the word. State and local governments are part of the federal system.

[King]

The Bill of Rights is between the federal government and the people not the University of Oklahoma and the people. There are no freedom of speech rights held by students.

Do you really believe that the bill of rights doesn't apply to state governments? This is a position held mostly by Paultard weirdos and Confederate revanchists.

I wasn't referring to federal government to mean the national government, but the strict sense of the word. State and local governments are part of the federal system.

OK, but the University of Oklahoma is an institution of the state government.

Okay, but the government is still doing nothing to infringe the rights of the students speech.

These individuals can still go to the campus today and chant no n-----s in SAE all day long as non-students. Their rights to free speech are not infringed. They aren't going to jail. They aren't losing any property. They are losing their title as a student at Oklahoma and a member of SAE fraternity. There is no 1st amendment right to have membership to an organization against the will of the organization, even a public organization. If that were the case, I'd go demand the government give an Endowment for the Arts right now.

[King]

The Bill of Rights is between the federal government and the people not the University of Oklahoma and the people. There are no freedom of speech rights held by students.

But why should first amendment rights not extend to public universities?

Their rights as citizens extend to public universities. Their rights as students do not.

If we take the logic of student rights further, one could equally argue someone who is rejected by OU graduate school for a terrible application containing a poorly written essay could claim they are being excluded from this public forum for "freedom of speech."

[King]

But if the University of Oklahoma's application asked me to write a paragraph on how I plan to use my education in my community and I wrote:

"I believe the goal of any white college student should be to gain further economic advantage over the n----r subspecies. I hope to become a business leader who succeeds at further promoting white power."

OR, take race out if it... if I submitted this, showing me to be illiterate:

"Im gone be RICH$$$ man jao"

Can they not consider the answer as part of their rejection of my application for admission?
Is the power granted to them to reject admission into the public university also not the same as their power to expel admission into the public university?

[King]

The argument really isn't about what speech is permissible.

The student could have chanted "no n----rs in SAE" or "free healthcare for all." Whatever. Universities, even public universities, should be allowed to expel a student for any reason it wants to expel a student.  Selectivity is part of the college process. Admissions select the students and students select their school. If that is unconstitutional then the Constitution needs to be amended because the Constitution is wrong.

I will never care about a student being expelled and what rights they have to attend said school. They can just go to another school.

There are people suffering real impossible justices in our country and world. Let's not waste time defending those who are suffering minor inconveniences as a result of their own actions.

[King]

Wedge issue for what?

[King]

Conservatives already think universities have a liberal bias.

[King]

They already react no matter what. Don't pander to them by not doing the right thing.

[King]

Okay.