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DrScholl
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« on: November 20, 2016, 09:30:21 PM »

That would be the stupid thing to do. Democrats need to let Ryan do just that and allow people to see the repercussions of what that elimination would do. Republicans have total control of the government, so let them make all the decisions and deal with the outcomes.
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DrScholl
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« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2016, 11:14:55 PM »

And my mother who survives on a dozen medications because she had an organ transplant and Medicare is the only thing making it affordable dies in the process? No.

The Dems need to block this even if it means four years of total gridlock. I am willing to trade every social issue for our social safety net. Or, back off totally on gun control in exchange. My mother will die, or at the very best go bankrupt, without Medicare. If the Dems allow this I will never vote Democrat again, because they will have violated everything they stood for. If they allow the Tea Party dream of repealing the 20th century to go through, I will see it as a betrayal.

I wasn't being completely serious. My point was that sometimes people will only realize an idea is terrible once they feel the consequences. That said, Medicare isn't going anywhere. There are enough self-serving politicians who will save it for reasons of optics.

That would be the stupid thing to do. Democrats need to let Ryan do just that and allow people to see the repercussions of what that elimination would do. Republicans have total control of the government, so let them make all the decisions and deal with the outcomes.

You expect all those impoverished rural Appalachian counties where everyone's on Medicaid and Trump won 70% of the vote to learn that elections have consequences?

Those places will never learn.
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DrScholl
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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2016, 11:28:57 PM »

And my mother who survives on a dozen medications because she had an organ transplant and Medicare is the only thing making it affordable dies in the process? No.

The Dems need to block this even if it means four years of total gridlock. I am willing to trade every social issue for our social safety net. Or, back off totally on gun control in exchange. My mother will die, or at the very best go bankrupt, without Medicare. If the Dems allow this I will never vote Democrat again, because they will have violated everything they stood for. If they allow the Tea Party dream of repealing the 20th century to go through, I will see it as a betrayal.

I wasn't being completely serious. My point was that sometimes people will only realize an idea is terrible once they feel the consequences. That said, Medicare isn't going anywhere. There are enough self-serving politicians who will save it for reasons of optics.

That would be the stupid thing to do. Democrats need to let Ryan do just that and allow people to see the repercussions of what that elimination would do. Republicans have total control of the government, so let them make all the decisions and deal with the outcomes.

You expect all those impoverished rural Appalachian counties where everyone's on Medicaid and Trump won 70% of the vote to learn that elections have consequences?

Those places will never learn.

What about Medicaid? Trump's 100 Day plan calls for block granting it to the states.

That is something that reallydepends on self-serving politicians. If there are Republicans in states that have benefited from Medicaid expansion who want to keep it to boost clout with constituents, then it has a chance.
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DrScholl
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« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2016, 03:18:27 PM »

And my mother who survives on a dozen medications because she had an organ transplant and Medicare is the only thing making it affordable dies in the process? No.

The Dems need to block this even if it means four years of total gridlock. I am willing to trade every social issue for our social safety net. Or, back off totally on gun control in exchange. My mother will die, or at the very best go bankrupt, without Medicare. If the Dems allow this I will never vote Democrat again, because they will have violated everything they stood for. If they allow the Tea Party dream of repealing the 20th century to go through, I will see it as a betrayal.

I wasn't being completely serious. My point was that sometimes people will only realize an idea is terrible once they feel the consequences. That said, Medicare isn't going anywhere. There are enough self-serving politicians who will save it for reasons of optics.

That would be the stupid thing to do. Democrats need to let Ryan do just that and allow people to see the repercussions of what that elimination would do. Republicans have total control of the government, so let them make all the decisions and deal with the outcomes.

You expect all those impoverished rural Appalachian counties where everyone's on Medicaid and Trump won 70% of the vote to learn that elections have consequences?

Those places will never learn.

LOL, apparently neither will Democrats who wish to broaden their coalition...

Don't try it. Clinton flipped several counties that are critical to long term Democratic strategy, which is kind of the definition of broadening a coalition. If people in poor places continue to vote for a party that wants reckless cuts to the safety net, then that's their choice and Democrats can do nothing to change that.
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