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Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.
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« on: July 22, 2016, 08:33:46 PM »
« edited: July 22, 2016, 08:36:34 PM by Jet fuel can't melt dank memes »

Free trade being, in general, a good thing does not mean that every given free trade agreement is automatically good or that all people of good will are somehow morally bound to support all of them, and the fact that not every free trade agreement is automatically good and all people of good will are not somehow morally bound to support all of them does not mean that free trade is not, in general, a good thing. I'm amazed that this is apparently such an unpopular position here.
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« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2016, 08:39:45 PM »

That reads like Clinton is actually taking the idea of Kaine's religiosity as a selling point seriously, which has interesting implications for the sort of coalition she's trying to attract.
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« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2016, 11:58:45 PM »

So, with a Catholic VP candidate on the Dem ticket and the Pope not being very enthusiastic about Trump, it would be interesting to see how excited conservative Catholics will be about the Republican nominee Smiley

Conservative Catholics aren't going to vote for Hillary, period.

Trump and Hillary are both abominations to them, I would imagine.  But if they were to weigh between whether Mike Pence or Tim Kaine is a better representative for them, whom do you think they would pick?  

Kaine and Pence are both heretics but only one supports genocide.

They both oppose abortion.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Social/Tim_Kaine_Abortion.htm

Supporting Roe v. Wade is not opposing abortion. Being "personally opposed" means jacksh**t if you support it remaining legal. No Catholic politician in good standing with the Church can take such a position.

I mean, it means he's uncomfortable with the creepy 'abortion a positive good'-type rhetoric that's suddenly started replacing 'safe, legal, and rare' among American liberals, which is more than one probably could have expected from anyone else Clinton could have chosen.
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« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2016, 12:31:36 AM »
« Edited: July 23, 2016, 12:33:54 AM by Jet fuel can't melt dank memes »

I think it's more worthwhile focusing our energies on people like [Inks]ing Cuomo, who takes the opposite of the Catholic Church's position on almost literally every issue of substance. IIRC he gave up entirely on a ten-point women's rights program after a point expanding late-term abortion was rejected, even though the legislature was perfectly happy to pass the other nine points. This was after he cut funding for poor and teenage mothers.
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« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2016, 12:36:55 AM »

(some news articles are pushing the "Kaine is a Pope Francis Catholic" line hard)

'A Pope Francis Catholic'? Yeesh.
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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2016, 12:48:01 AM »
« Edited: July 23, 2016, 12:49:57 AM by Jet fuel can't melt dank memes »


Oh for...none of these people 'reflect the way Francis looks at the world'. I thought that was an open secret among Americans who care about Catholicism.

I could see Kaine maybe shoring up certain Hispanic constituencies, and definitely Audrey Assad Catholic Millennials (I know he's shored up at least one such person, my ex-girlfriend who I still talk to almost daily). That's about it.
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