Neil Gorsuch Confirmation Process Discussion (confirmed 54-45)

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My preferred strategy with Gorsuch is "don't hold him up beyond what's customary, but vote against him and possibly try to Bork him if the situation calls for it", but...

I think that showing voters that the Democratic party is the party of the people, who go to meetings and vote in the interests of the public is a whole lot better strategy that showing that we are the minority, obstructionist party in every government branch.

...what exactly about the past decade makes you think that?

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I think that showing voters that the Democratic party is the party of the people, who go to meetings and vote in the interests of the public is a whole lot better strategy that showing that we are the minority, obstructionist party in every government branch.

[W]hat exactly about the past decade makes you think that?

Honestly, it's probably my political inexperience. Seeing as I'm barely 18 now I can believe what I want until my dreams get crushed.

Makes sense. I'm twenty-four (actually not for a few more weeks, but I'm getting used to saying it early), and whatever of my political optimism wasn't crushed by 2014 was crushed by the realization that the Democratic Party deserved 2014 even though the country didn't.

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At some point somebody is going to have to stop "retaliating" for everything, or at least deescalate slightly, right?

...right?

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I'm for nuking the filibuster on non-consequentialist grounds.

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tbh non-talking filibusters should be abolished for everything.

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Tit for tat is wonderful and all

No it isn't.

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so it is pretty clear Democrats should take a stand here against Trump, the GOP, and their theft of this Senate seat.

Lol. So the rules say whichever party controls the presidency at the exact moment a vacancy arises owns that seat forever? Because i will never understand this "they stole it, so we have to steal it back, but somehow when we do it its not stealing" argument.

i could have lived with republicans rejecting half a dozen judges, until we got someone who finally was good enough or moderate enough or neutral on abortion or 80 years old or whatever, but just being able to reject hearings is mindblowing, imho.

Agreed. And the democrats were right then to complain. Now theyve taken what moral high ground they had, shat all over it, and still keep complaining about how stinky the republicans were a year ago.

Next time don't steal Supreme Court seats and maybe we won't have this problem.

I dont need to poke holes in your argument because repeating this "stolen seat " garbage betrays your lack of understanding and objectivity, but what the hell.

This overall argument is equivalent to a toddler justifying the pulling of his playmate's hair because "she should have shared if she didnt want it pulled." Right and wrong dont just disappear if someone else did something first. That is nor how logic works.

You guys made your bed and now you'll have to sleep in it.  Enjoy   Oh and spare me the hypocritical moralizing, I think I speak for most Democrats when I say you're wasting your breath.  I literally have no interest in seeing that seat filled by anyone regardless of their qualifications or objectivity until we have a Democratic President.

AT SOME POINT SOMEBODY IS GOING TO HAVE TO DEESCALATE.

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AT SOME POINT SOMEBODY IS GOING TO HAVE TO DEESCALATE.

This timing of de-escalation is strange. One political party has won all elections. The other political party is  about as successful and meaningful as a pimple on someone else's buttocks.

I don't give a sh**t about the timing, you amoral creep, I'm just concerned that we not descend into some sort of irreconcilable civil strife over petty bullsh**t. I understand that that's not a prospect that bothers you but I'd invite you to consider, if it seems at all relevant to you, that I said that in response to something X, a left-of-center opponent of Gorsuch's confirmation, was saying. I'm fine with Gorsuch if his confirmation means that, in some small way, the country gets further away from coming apart at the seams.

so it is pretty clear Democrats should take a stand here against Trump, the GOP, and their theft of this Senate seat.

Lol. So the rules say whichever party controls the presidency at the exact moment a vacancy arises owns that seat forever? Because i will never understand this "they stole it, so we have to steal it back, but somehow when we do it its not stealing" argument.

i could have lived with republicans rejecting half a dozen judges, until we got someone who finally was good enough or moderate enough or neutral on abortion or 80 years old or whatever, but just being able to reject hearings is mindblowing, imho.

Agreed. And the democrats were right then to complain. Now theyve taken what moral high ground they had, shat all over it, and still keep complaining about how stinky the republicans were a year ago.

Next time don't steal Supreme Court seats and maybe we won't have this problem.

I dont need to poke holes in your argument because repeating this "stolen seat " garbage betrays your lack of understanding and objectivity, but what the hell.

This overall argument is equivalent to a toddler justifying the pulling of his playmate's hair because "she should have shared if she didnt want it pulled." Right and wrong dont just disappear if someone else did something first. That is nor how logic works.

You guys made your bed and now you'll have to sleep in it.  Enjoy   Oh and spare me the hypocritical moralizing, I think I speak for most Democrats when I say you're wasting your breath.  I literally have no interest in seeing that seat filled by anyone regardless of their qualifications or objectivity until we have a Democratic President.

AT SOME POINT SOMEBODY IS GOING TO HAVE TO DEESCALATE.

Fine, the Republicans can de-escalate by withdrawing Gorsuch's nomination and confirming Garland to fill Scalia's seat.

For God's sake, you hack, not everything is about the fortunes of Our Lord and Savior the Democratic Party.

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Schmucky is speaking on the Senate floor regarding Gorsuch.  Watch it for the lols.

Mitch is going to be finishing off the Heist soon.



I suspect he is filing his mug with La Colombie free trade organic coffee, almond milk, and salty liberal tears.

May I ask a question?

Why do you hate your political opponents so much? It really doesn't seem healthy or normal in a country at peace, even one as polarized as America.

There are a number of Democratic hack posters I could ask this of as well, but they tend not to be as blatant or deliberate about it as you are.