Regional Consolidation: Where to draw the lines?

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

The current map is fine. While many of the four region maps are tolerable the three region maps are absolutely horrid. As it is I oppose any idea of regional consolidation due to its irreparable harm towards the Mideast region.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

I remember we discussed this a long time ago. In fact, I think I had a plan too but God knows what it was, considering it was 2009 or something.

What are the goals of this movement? Are we leaving the Pacific for dead and trying to incorporate them into something else? I imagine the IDS and Mideast aren't keen on having their territory messed with and you don't want angry southerners to come after you. Remember 1861, Fort Sumter?

We sure don't want our territory messed with. I don't think the regionalist elements of the IDS will be standing alone on this. Most of the Mideast wants to keep our region as it is because we have a good thing going and we want to improve upon it.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

I remember we discussed this a long time ago. In fact, I think I had a plan too but God knows what it was, considering it was 2009 or something.

What are the goals of this movement? Are we leaving the Pacific for dead and trying to incorporate them into something else? I imagine the IDS and Mideast aren't keen on having their territory messed with and you don't want angry southerners to come after you. Remember 1861, Fort Sumter?

We sure don't want our territory messed with. I don't think the regionalist elements of the IDS will be standing alone on this. Most of the Mideast wants to keep our region as it is because we have a good thing going and we want to improve upon it.

Well you're talking to the right guy, JCL!

If my ticket is election, I can assure you I will not make any brash decisions when it comes to removing regions from the game. Many regions have rich histories that must be considered before cutting/adding to them. I see regions like a a good woman. When you start dating her, you don't want anyone else infringing on your territory, especially the handsome guy who starts approaching you at the bar, promising to fix all your problems if you just let her open up.

I will admit I don't know a lot about this issue quite yet except that the Pacific has been in a mess for a while, but perhaps lopping off the left arm to fix a broken finger is a bit much.

In a mess in spite of the best efforts of Atlasians who are trying to bring the Pacific out of the caves of inactivity and negative gamesmanship.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

Griffin, why is the Mideast region getting ripped to pieces while the others get to stay intact. Every time these three region scenarios comes up they all have that in common. That's why I will urge all Mideasterners to oppose any three region map proposal.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

Griffin, why is the Mideast region getting ripped to pieces while the others get to stay intact. Every time these three region scenarios comes up they all have that in common. That's why I will urge all Mideasterners to oppose any three region map proposal.

As a proud Midesterner I support merging our region with the Northeast.

Why do you support merging our region with the Northeast when we have every right to stand on our own and not be ripped to pieces? Is it that you want full Labour dominance at all levels of government if this goes through.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

In all honesty, I think the primary reason the Mideast is getting split is simply due to it's location.

It is more than mere coincidence that the Mideast is the only region which gets ripped apart under this scenario.

The Mideast has to be split up in order to add states to the Northeast, since the Mideast is the only region it is connected to. There is absolutely no way to create a balanced, 3-region map without splitting up the Mideast, which is unfortunate, because if any region deserves to remain intact, it is the Mideast.

I understand that the Mideast would probably be split up in some way if the 3-regions plan were to pass. However, the issue I have with the proposed plan is that the Mideast is the only region that is ripped apart, and all I am saying is that I suspect that this isn't a coincidence. In fact, if the Mideast is the only region that has to undergo drastic changes, the 3-regions plan becomes more palatable to citizens in other regions.

Even in the IDS/Pacific merger map they find a way to preserve the Midwest and leave the Mideast on the cutting room floor.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

I have been looking at the maps Max. I understand the difficulty of keeping the Mideast whole but ripping one of the stronger regions apart (by splitting it between two other stable regions) while preserving the two weakest by merging them is just not right.

Either way, the Mideast is in an area that makes it very hard to cut out by itself.

I don't dispute that as long as we are talking about contiguous regions. But if a three-region map were to be implemented, it wouldn't be fair to rip apart the Mideast alone. It would be much fairer to change everything radically and come up with three entirely new regions.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

I'm a resident of Indiana and I have more in common with Kentucky, Illinois, and Missouri than I do with New York and Massachusetts. So why am I lumped in with states I have less in common with?