Democratic Wild Western Tuesday results thread

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Arizona polls closed. No exit polls.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Idaho Falls Caucus (left side for Sanders, right side for Clinton):

https://twitter.com/jamenta/status/712462053965832192

Sanders supporters chant "This is what Democracy looks like", while Clinton supporters chant "Let's beat Trump."

Bernie crushes Trump by 20 points in the latest CNN/ORC poll, but that won't be enough to win Idaho.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Still nothing in Arizona (or the other two states).

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Still nothing in Arizona (or the other two states).

Phoenix is still in line...

Damn, I thought the lines of over an hour was just a problem with caucuses. I heard they have only 60 locations for Arizona. That's ridiculous. There way more than 60 voting places within 5 miles of here.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

FOUR HOUR LINES IN A PRIMARY? WTF IS THIS sh**t?

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

FOUR HOUR LINES IN A PRIMARY? WTF IS THIS sh**t?

It's so stupid. Caucuses are horrible. With population growth, it's really inconvenient, even borderline impossible, to expect thousands and thousands or voters (caucusgoers) to cram into a high school gym or a hall for 2 hours and caucus for someone. Abolish them and run primaries instead.

Note that I wasn't talking about a caucus. I'm talking about the Arizona primary, with only 60 voting places for a state of 6.7 million people.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

How are the results in Arizona coming in with 1000's still in line?

Is this absentee voting?

Almost all the votes are early/absentee voting.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Sounds like Bernie's going all the way to California.

I don't think anyone actually expects him to drop out. I'm on the record saying he has the right to stay in as long as he likes. But the tone needs to change, he isn't winning the nomination and he needs to start helping the progressive movement in November, that includes actively raising money for campaigns other than his own and campaigning for Democrats. Him staying in can be a big positive, but still treating it like a genuinely competitive primary is a bad idea.

He's still trying to win. I imagine he'll help like-minded Democrats, like Zephyr Teachout.  Although I'm sure the grassroots is already doing a lot for her.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Sounds like Bernie's going all the way to California.

I don't think anyone actually expects him to drop out. I'm on the record saying he has the right to stay in as long as he likes. But the tone needs to change, he isn't winning the nomination and he needs to start helping the progressive movement in November, that includes actively raising money for campaigns other than his own and campaigning for Democrats. Him staying in can be a big positive, but still treating it like a genuinely competitive primary is a bad idea.

He's still trying to win. I imagine he'll help like-minded Democrats, like Zephyr Teachout.  Although I'm sure the grassroots is already doing a lot for her.

He might be, that'll help the delegate margin at the end, but it won't get him the win. Math is real, just as it was for Hillary in 08, by the end of February the writing was on the wall. Regardless of good states coming, the margin couldn't be overcome. This is even more emphatic.

 

The 2008 primary had most of the states vote by the end of February. Now only half the delegates have been chosen, and those have included all of Hillary's best states.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

God I hate caucuses. They need to be banned.

Arizona is showing that primaries can be total disasters too.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

First results from UT:

sanders   
47.9%
0
clinton   
45.4%

Hillary won it by 18 points in 2008.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Bernie crushing it 76.5-22.8 in the votes so far from Salt Lake County.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

People are still waiting in line in Phoenix

FF's! I don't care who they are voting for but they are literally freedom fighters.

3 1/2 hours after polls closed? It's time to bring in Carter's election monitoring.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Probably a 17-6 delegate split in Idaho.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Idaho and Utah are competing to be Bernie's 2nd best state. Utah is currently winning.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Wow, the delegates are looking pretty good for Bernie in Idaho and Utah. Idaho it turns out he probably wins 18-5, and Utah likely 27-6. That's a net of 34 delegates, and certainly well more than cancels out the 15 or so delegate loss in Arizona.