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Question: If Rove is the WH source in the Plame case, should he go to jail?
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jfern
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« on: July 13, 2005, 09:57:43 AM »

First off it hasn't even been proven she was undercover. Many have said she wasn't. This case will be impossible to prove. This is a JFERN bitch and whine issue and nothing more.

So you support people who commit grand treason? Why do you hate America?
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« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2005, 07:34:03 AM »

His attorney is obviosuly going to try & put the best face on this whole situation, we will see what happens, but the bottom line is he did release information regarding an undercover CIA agent & that goes against what the administration was syaing prior to this revelation

She was not undercover at the time she sent her husband to Africa, but rather an analyst for the CIA on WMDs.  She had worked undercover in the 1990s.

She was absolutely under-cover when she was outed.
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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2005, 10:17:06 AM »

CIA 'outing' might fall short of crime

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This is the best indication we have so far that Plame was not covert at the time of the leak and, more importantly, that she had not been covert for six years prior to the leak (the law sets five years as the protected period).

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How do you know that she wasn't covert more recently? Plus, her covert company was outted too. I really hope you're not condoning what Rove did.
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jfern
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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2005, 10:19:34 AM »

His attorney is obviosuly going to try & put the best face on this whole situation, we will see what happens, but the bottom line is he did release information regarding an undercover CIA agent & that goes against what the administration was syaing prior to this revelation

She was not undercover at the time she sent her husband to Africa, but rather an analyst for the CIA on WMDs.  She had worked undercover in the 1990s.

She was absolutely under-cover when she was outed.

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Joe Wilson has, from the very beginning, insisted that Rove named his wife.  There is still no indication that he did.  It is also curious that Wilson immediately named Rove as the source of the leak.  What information about the leak did Wilson have when the story broke?

Wilson's statement above is an argument that "doesn't stand the smell test".  Is he actually claiming that his wife's cover identity consisted of her taking her husband's name when she married him?  If so, then MODU is right, no wonder we have such intelligence problems!

I believe there was a whistleblower.
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« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2005, 10:35:08 AM »

CIA 'outing' might fall short of crime

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This is the best indication we have so far that Plame was not covert at the time of the leak and, more importantly, that she had not been covert for six years prior to the leak (the law sets five years as the protected period).

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How do you know that she wasn't covert more recently?

Because Wilson basicly said so:
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Her value as a covert operative died when she married Wilson.  Being married to a former ambassador and member of Clinton's national security team isn't exactly low-profile.

Basically said so? She's covert CIA. She doesn't have to tell your sorry asses exactly what she's done.
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« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2005, 10:47:04 AM »

Valerie Plame was covert.

The CIA says: "If she was not undercover, we would have no reason to file a criminal referral".

http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?ts=1&display=rednews/2003/10/01/build/nation/25-leak.inc

Any more grand treason apoligist talking points?
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jfern
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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2005, 12:07:35 PM »

Valerie Plame was covert.

The CIA says: "If she was not undercover, we would have no reason to file a criminal referral".

http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?ts=1&display=rednews/2003/10/01/build/nation/25-leak.inc

Any more grand treason apoligist talking points?

Your link isn't working, and it's not "grand treason." 

The link works fine, and I love how the new talking points are to argue anything that can change the argument from Rove outted covert CIA agent Plame.
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« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2005, 02:22:58 PM »

I seriously wondering if Joe Wilson might not have tipped someone off.

I wonder who talked to the NYT reporter.  Rove has repeatedly said anyoen he talked to does not need to protect him as a confidential source.  He has even signed documents releasing them from any confidentiality agreements.

So, who told the New York Times?
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Rove
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jfern
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E: -7.38, S: -8.36

« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2005, 06:54:01 PM »

I seriously wondering if Joe Wilson might not have tipped someone off.

I wonder who talked to the NYT reporter.  Rove has repeatedly said anyoen he talked to does not need to protect him as a confidential source.  He has even signed documents releasing them from any confidentiality agreements.

So, who told the New York Times?
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This is important.

Rove

Fact: Rove has signed a release waiving confidentiality over the whole Plame affair.  Any reorter who spoke to him about it is free to talk to the judge, special investigator, other reporters or you without worrying about breaking a promise of confidentiality given to Karl Rove.

Fact: NYT reporter Judith Millier is still refusing to say who her source was due to a promise of confidentiality.

Conclusion:  Rove was not her source.

Fact: You never admit defeat
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