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Atlas Has Shrugged
ChairmanSanchez
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« on: January 28, 2017, 09:34:51 PM »

Can you guys read, or are you just so blinded by your little "win" (the only one you've gotten at all for a good while) that you don't realize that it literally only applies to those already in transit when the order was issued. In two days, the situation will be virtually unchanged.
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ChairmanSanchez
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« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2017, 09:46:52 PM »

Can you guys read, or are you just so blinded by your little "win" (the only one you've gotten at all for a good while) that you don't realize that it literally only applies to those already in transit when the order was issued. In two days, the situation will be virtually unchanged.

You really should be deported, Trump would approve, impoverished Hispanic family that's a drain on white America.
I'm from a middle-class white family with West Virginia roots dating back to New Amsterdam, but sure, deport me back to the UK. Brexit has set them on the path to independence once again.
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ChairmanSanchez
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« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2017, 09:49:11 PM »

Can you guys read, or are you just so blinded by your little "win" (the only one you've gotten at all for a good while) that you don't realize that it literally only applies to those already in transit when the order was issued. In two days, the situation will be virtually unchanged.

You really should be deported, Trump would approve, impoverished Hispanic family that's a drain on white America.
I'm from a middle-class white family with West Virginia roots dating back to New Amsterdam, but sure, deport me back to the UK. Brexit has set them on the path to independence once again.

Wait, so you aren't Hispanic?
Not even named Sanchez.

I mean, what's stopping a legal resident from Iraq from getting on a plane and flying to America now?
I'd imagine a TSA officer at the gate?
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ChairmanSanchez
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« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2017, 09:55:31 PM »

As already said in the other threads... only for those currently detained in airports. It still prevents anyone else with a nationality in those 7 countries from entering.


Stop...
"STOP! STOP! Stop telling me facts that I no likey!"

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ChairmanSanchez
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« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2017, 02:29:42 PM »

Roughly 100.000-150.000 people living in Austria are currently unable to travel to the US because they are either citizens of Syria, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, Libya, Sudan or Somalia - or Austrian citizens who also hold citizenship/passports of these countries.
And what business or connection do they possibly have here? I have yet to hear a reason as to why the right to immigrate here is apparent universal.
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ChairmanSanchez
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« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2017, 02:40:24 PM »

Roughly 100.000-150.000 people living in Austria are currently unable to travel to the US because they are either citizens of Syria, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, Libya, Sudan or Somalia - or Austrian citizens who also hold citizenship/passports of these countries.
And what business or connection do they possibly have here? I have yet to hear a reason as to why the right to immigrate here is apparent universal.

Why not ban travel from Canada? Or Iceland? Those people have as much a right to visit/immigrate to the US as Somalis or Iraqis do.
They don't have the right to just walk in either, but they can also be trusted. Considering most people who enter from Canada usually return within a couple days, added on top of the fact that Canada has no real history of terrorism besides the recent Parliament shooting and the long gone FLQ, then you'll see that the travel ban has no practical purpose in regards to those nations.
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ChairmanSanchez
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« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2017, 02:43:14 PM »

Roughly 100.000-150.000 people living in Austria are currently unable to travel to the US because they are either citizens of Syria, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, Libya, Sudan or Somalia - or Austrian citizens who also hold citizenship/passports of these countries.
And what business or connection do they possibly have here? I have yet to hear a reason as to why the right to immigrate here is apparent universal.

Immigrate? The ban also applies to those who simply want to travel to the United States.

That includes visiting family, doing business, going on vacation, etc.
Immigrate, seeking asylum, travel, etc, all the same. No one has aright to enter any country unless they are citizens (which many affected by this are-I've made it clear that this order was poorly thought out).
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ChairmanSanchez
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« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2017, 03:57:09 PM »

Additionally, Ronald Reagan succeeded because he had a 10% point landslide and a mandate to succeed and followed twenty years of divisive turmoil that dated to the death of John F. Kennedy. The man was also an experienced Republican pol who had dealt with the protests in California and survived two terms as Governor. Trump has none of that kind of background to contend with the left. It may be why Reagan alone is the only Republican President to successfully rewrite the rules and walk away from the presidency regarded well and realigned the system to his ideology.

Compare Reagan to Trump and you quickly see that while Trump may have a lot of short term victories, his long term political prognosis remains difficult.
Reagan did very, very, very little. He was a front man for a shadowy cabal of advisers who were largely interconnected with Vice President Bush and the Republican establishment. It's also seriously under-estimated how similar the level of hatred for Reagan from the contemporary press and left matched if not even exceeds what Trump faces. Reagan of course "did this all" while in reality doing very little of consequence on his own initiative. The reality of Reagan as opposed to the narrative of Reagan sounds to me to be very similar to the "worst case scenarios" imagined for Trump.

Reagan's success was based in his amiable personality and charisma. People, for the most part, generally liked and trusted him-actually, kinda like Obama was generally viewed. He came to office at a time of calm after two decades of chaos. That is what made him teflon. On the other hand, Trump is taking office in the fifth year of our own "twenty year storm" that is underway. Trump's teflon is his bully pulpit and force of personality. Expect Trump to mobilize the masses in a way that is unprecedented, governing more in tune with Margaret Thatcher than Reagan in terms of his divisive style. Lastly Reagan had eight years as Governor and two presidential campaigns ('68 and '76) by the time he took office, and that was even still not enough to make him any more prepared for the role than Trump is.
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