Trump bans transgenders from military service

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I partially see the logic in this, but it just seems like it's the mean spirited brainchild of some hyper hawkish gung ho general.

Being transgendered seems absolutely grueling. Not only will you have to deal with bigotry that is much fiercer than just garden variety homophobia, but also with a large degree of internal turmoil. Gender identity shouldn't hinder any individuals ability to serve if they're physically qualified. If they can pass a physical fitness test and have none of the drama/baggage that many (but not all) of the transpeople I know have, why not?

I'm sorry, but the drag queen I met last month manning the "Trans-Liberation Army" booth on the FSU campus is decidedly not fit for service. I've never known a transperson who I could see being taken by the army. But then again, few people in general make the cut. Certainly none of the hawkish Young Republicans I know.

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It's not a serious mental disorder, but military service gives almost all who serve actual serious mental disorders (PTSD, anxiety, depression, etc).

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War is hell. I'm actually somewhat happy for the transpeople who get to avoid it now, however unjustified the move actually may be.

Mort does have a point that transpeople often, but not always, experience other mental issues. I fully trust the army to screen those people out. A blanket ban is just unnecessary.

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LGBT FOR TRUMP AMIRITE?!

Every gay Trumpist I've followed on Twitter besides #ThePersistance have voiced support for this, so yeah.

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I'd be curious to know if there are more transpeople in the military or people who are uncomfortable with transpeople in the military. Those figures ought to be sought out.

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Other countries laugh at us for fighting over things like this. This is <1% of the population we're talking about here.

So what? 0.001% of our population died on 9/11 and it dominated our national discussion for years. <1% of the population matters.

That was an attack on civilians by terrorists, not government policy that affects a tiny minority of people.

So we shouldn't care that a minority is being discriminated against?

Apparently only the majorities, the so-called "regular people," matter.

See this is the problem though. Why we absolutely should accommodate transpeople in the military, there are people who are discomforted by it. They are soldiers too. Why can't their concerns for once be heard instead of being dismissed? There are far more of them than trans. Being trans doesn't make you special. You shouldn't get a medal for it. And it definitely shouldn't be grounds for a ban.

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Other countries laugh at us for fighting over things like this. This is <1% of the population we're talking about here.

So what? 0.001% of our population died on 9/11 and it dominated our national discussion for years. <1% of the population matters.

That was an attack on civilians by terrorists, not government policy that affects a tiny minority of people.

So we shouldn't care that a minority is being discriminated against?

Apparently only the majorities, the so-called "regular people," matter.

See this is the problem though. Why we absolutely should accommodate transpeople in the military, there are people who are discomforted by it. They are soldiers too. Why can't their concerns for once be heard instead of being dismissed? There are far more of them than trans. Being trans doesn't make you special. You shouldn't get a medal for it. And it definitely shouldn't be grounds for a ban.

If that makes you uncomfortable, how could you possibly make a tough decision under fire?

How many transpeople are actually physically and mentally fit? Serious question. Is the ban justified overall? No, but this has more to do with the professional whiners than the professional soldiers it effects.

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Other countries laugh at us for fighting over things like this. This is <1% of the population we're talking about here.

So what? 0.001% of our population died on 9/11 and it dominated our national discussion for years. <1% of the population matters.

That was an attack on civilians by terrorists, not government policy that affects a tiny minority of people.

So we shouldn't care that a minority is being discriminated against?

Apparently only the majorities, the so-called "regular people," matter.

See this is the problem though. Why we absolutely should accommodate transpeople in the military, there are people who are discomforted by it. They are soldiers too. Why can't their concerns for once be heard instead of being dismissed? There are far more of them than trans. Being trans doesn't make you special. You shouldn't get a medal for it. And it definitely shouldn't be grounds for a ban.

If that makes you uncomfortable, how could you possibly make a tough decision under fire?

How many transpeople are actually physically and mentally fit? Serious question. Is the ban justified overall? No, but this has more to do with the professional whiners than the professional soldiers it effects.

I'm positively astounded by the fact that you explicitly state you do not support this move, but can't bring yourself to criticize Trump, ever.

You think Rubio or Cruz wouldn't have done this?

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Other countries laugh at us for fighting over things like this. This is <1% of the population we're talking about here.

So what? 0.001% of our population died on 9/11 and it dominated our national discussion for years. <1% of the population matters.

That was an attack on civilians by terrorists, not government policy that affects a tiny minority of people.

So we shouldn't care that a minority is being discriminated against?

Apparently only the majorities, the so-called "regular people," matter.

See this is the problem though. Why we absolutely should accommodate transpeople in the military, there are people who are discomforted by it. They are soldiers too. Why can't their concerns for once be heard instead of being dismissed? There are far more of them than trans. Being trans doesn't make you special. You shouldn't get a medal for it. And it definitely shouldn't be grounds for a ban.

If that makes you uncomfortable, how could you possibly make a tough decision under fire?

How many transpeople are actually physically and mentally fit? Serious question. Is the ban justified overall? No, but this has more to do with the professional whiners than the professional soldiers it effects.

I'm positively astounded by the fact that you explicitly state you do not support this move, but can't bring yourself to criticize Trump, ever.

You think Rubio or Cruz wouldn't have done this?

Not only will you not criticize Trump, you seem reluctant to even bring the subject of it up for discussion.

I criticized the ban. What should I do, vote for Hillary because I sympathize with a few transpeople? Jesus lol.

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Other countries laugh at us for fighting over things like this. This is <1% of the population we're talking about here.

So what? 0.001% of our population died on 9/11 and it dominated our national discussion for years. <1% of the population matters.

That was an attack on civilians by terrorists, not government policy that affects a tiny minority of people.

So we shouldn't care that a minority is being discriminated against?

Apparently only the majorities, the so-called "regular people," matter.

See this is the problem though. Why we absolutely should accommodate transpeople in the military, there are people who are discomforted by it. They are soldiers too. Why can't their concerns for once be heard instead of being dismissed? There are far more of them than trans. Being trans doesn't make you special. You shouldn't get a medal for it. And it definitely shouldn't be grounds for a ban.

If that makes you uncomfortable, how could you possibly make a tough decision under fire?

How many transpeople are actually physically and mentally fit? Serious question. Is the ban justified overall? No, but this has more to do with the professional whiners than the professional soldiers it effects.

I'm positively astounded by the fact that you explicitly state you do not support this move, but can't bring yourself to criticize Trump, ever.

You think Rubio or Cruz wouldn't have done this?

Were Rubio and Cruz posting stuff like this:

No. They'd still be worse though.

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It's funny seeing Orrin Hatch suddenly care for transpeople after forty years.

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Surely there is a better way to make and announce policy than via Twitter.

What is better than going straight to the masses??

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The total is low. The RAND study I linked a few pages back had the numbers.

I think the realistic number is around 3,000-4,000, and that may be high-balling.