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Beefalow and the Consumer
Beef
Junior Chimp
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« on: July 29, 2016, 09:21:51 AM »

Hmm, maybe the fact that she actually has a higher education plan?

When she embraces school choice, and merit pay on steroids combined with firing incompetent teachers, at least for those trapped in down market zip codes where the educational choices are all bad, get back to me.

If the only issue that mattered out there were secondary education policy, and competence and temperament and so forth was something one felt free to ignore (it obviously isn't), I would vote for Trump in a heart beat. This is a really good example of why it is most unwise to be a one issue voter, now isn't it? Smiley

And a fair measure of teacher competence is... what exactly?  More standardized tests?  Let's bog down teachers with the task of boosting artificial and unfair student metrics so they have even less time to, you know, teach them curriculum.  And deny them a dignified income so they're also struggling to make ends meet.

The whole "incompetent teacher" canard ignores the real problem, which is teachers and schools having no funds to provide their students the resources they need to succeed.  Too many teachers are buying school supplies for students out of their own pockets.  Too many students slip through cracks because schools can't afford the means to identify them and intervene.

But teachers are a convenient scapegoat.  Let's punish them.
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Beefalow and the Consumer
Beef
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 9,123
United States


Political Matrix
E: -2.77, S: -8.78

« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2016, 09:31:09 AM »

We are not on the same page on this one at all Beef. But it is a bit off topic, so well, another time perhaps we can debate this most important issue in more depth. Some are into measuring educational quality by the metric of inputs, others like to focus on what the output is. The disconnect between the inputs and the outputs has been quite tragic in my opinion. Heck, here in Hudson, we I think we are spending about 25K per pupil now. And the results suck.

I have many friends who are teachers and I know personally the struggle they go through and how much of student outcome is out of their control.  Especially in Wisconsin, where Scott Walker has done everything in his power to make public teachers miserable, and teachers and their unions are vilified.  So my point of view is probably biased.
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