PA 13

[Keystone Phil]

Keystone Phil, You know why I made those angering comments about your chairman because I am a heavy Pro Life activist. I have am an active member in Generation Life and Stand True to extreme groups against abortion. Once a month on a Saturday I pray in front of an abortion clinic. When I get older I will support only Pro Life candidates. You either Pro Life or Pro Choice please you and your groups need to stop making exuses for the candidate you support.

You really are confused aren't you? I am also extremely pro life. However, my group supports a pro choice candidate for Congress, that is true. We don't agree with her on that but hey let's look at your group. Every candidate you support is extremely pro choice. Schwartz is even more pro choice than Brown and you know that. So if you want to attack the Teenage Republicans, remember who you support and how their views are even more pro choice.

You should really think before you post...

[Keystone Phil]

Whoever said the TEENAGE DEMOCRATS SUPPORTED ALLYSON SCHWARTZ

You aren't serious are you? I mean...you must be joking? A couple posts back you said you guys can't wait to see Schwartz win the seat.  That is Allyson Schwartz, the candidate who is even more pro choice than Melissa Brown. Get your story straight before posting. Thanks.

[Keystone Phil]

Explain this quote please...

This seat isn't going GOP. This race is going to come down to the end. I can't wait to see how it will pain out. I am anxiously awaiting. Myself, my chairman, and everybody that is in my club is as well awaiting. We hope to see Allyson win that seat.

[Keystone Phil]

Allyson Schwartz yes I would like to see Allyson Schwartz win because she unlike Melissa she is campaigning the good old way not using scare tatics like melissa, but i do not agree with her being pro choice, but Melissa also is pro choice

So then you DO support Schwartz? Why couldn't you admit that earlier when you said "Whoever said THE TEENAGE DEMOCRATS SUPPORTED ALLYSON SCHWARTZ" ? I thank you though for making me laugh. Your posts amuse me.

[Keystone Phil]

Oh and by the way, Schwartz is even more pro choice than Brown. Just thought I'd inform you on that.

[Keystone Phil]

I do not support either candidate. I do however LIKE key word more Allyson for not using scare tactics. Their both pro choice. thank you very much

Haha..this is funny. Yes, they're both pro choice but Brown is against partial birth abortion and against taxpayer funded abortions. Schwartz takes a more pro choice stance.

I really love how you say you don't support either candidate but you said you anxiously await a Schwartz win. Why can't you get your story straight? One minute you can't wait to see her win, the next minute you don't support either candidate. Give me a break.

[Keystone Phil]

Give me a break you are to black and white to understand what anybody else has to say in this forum. It seems like you put words in my mouth. I stand by what i say unlike you before I post i edit and proofread.

You edit and proofread? Really? Well then you'd realize that, just like your pal John Kerry, you totally flip floped. One minute you can't wait to see Schwartz elected (which won't happen anyway) and then you aren't supporting her? Yeah good one.

I mean how am I putting words in your mouth? You just don't understand things. You say one thing, then mean another, but you want to go back to what you said earlier, then you might want to change your mind. You have no clue what you are talking about. You say your pro life and that is great. I am, too. But then you say you want Schwartz who's by far the most pro choice candidate in the PA13 race. THEN you say you don't support her when I proved that you said it! I have your quote! Get your stories straight.

[Keystone Phil]

I believe these clubs will be out there for allyson schwartz and she will Definitly have the seat over Melissa Brown

That's one were you pretty much voiced your support for Schwartz and then....

This seat isn't going GOP. This race is going to come down to the end. I can't wait to see how it will pain out. I am anxiously awaiting. Myself, my chairman, and everybody that is in my club is as well awaiting. We hope to see Allyson win that seat.

And there's the other. You just can't get your statements straight. Way to flip flop in the course of A DAY!

[Keystone Phil]

Phil, I am Pro Life, I dislike Melissa Brown, Therefore I do LIKE Allyson Schwartz. THEY ARE BOTH PRO CHOICE CANDIDATES. How can I stress that enough. Your telling me like Melissa doesn't support partial birth and abortion funding but Allyson is on the same level as Melissa when it comes to abortion. Plus Congress has no control over it but it is the point that they are both pro choice.

Can you understand what you are talking about before posting? Brown is against partial birth abortion and taxpayer funding of abortions. Schwartz supports both of those, I believe, and that is why she receives funding from the pro choice group EMILY's list. So yeah they are both pro choice but Schwartz even more so.

Now here is where you keep making me laugh. You say you want to see Schwartz take over the seat. Then you say you don't support her. THEN you say you like her. What is your position? I mean...can you lay out EXACTLY what you mean because it makes NO sense at all. You just continue to confuse yourself. You don't know what you believe. Please find out what you believe before posting. It's annoying arguing with someone who doesn't know what he's talking about.

[Keystone Phil]

What I am trying to say here is that if it came down to me voting  I would vote neither but I think I would vote Allyson because her campaign is not ran on scare tactics

Haha...Wait wait DemoTroll I'm laughing too hard hold on. You're saying you would vote neither but you think you would vote for Allyson? I'm speechless. You make no sense. You won't vote for either of them but you'd vote for Schwartz. I just can't understand why you post. You make no sense and you just waste time. When you want to make sense and know what you are discussing, then post.

[Keystone Phil]

Jeeze, do your opinions change every hour? One minute you want Brown, the next Schwartz, then neither, after that Schwartz, now undecided. Give me a break! Oh and by the way, how do you do a split vote? You can't give a vote to Brown and a vote to Schwartz. When will you ever make up your mind?

[Keystone Phil]

After talking to a friend of yours

And then tomorrow you will support Schwartz, then no one, then Schwartz. You can't make up your mind. Oh and for someone that was so strongly against Brown (yeah that was you, remember?), no one would be able to change your mind in one conversation.

[Keystone Phil]

Well your chairman has certainly done that

Oh right, DemoTroll. We're supposed to believe that suddenly you are undecided? You're a Teenage Dem and suddenly after saying every negative thing about Melissa Brown you don't know who to support? Please.

[Keystone Phil]

Phil I know we can't be the best of friends but we need to be civil so from here on out we need to be civil especially on this forum.

Yeah don't even think of lecturing me about that. You acted like a five year old your whole first day of posting. Yeah we can be civil and let's start now.

As for "treasuring" my Chairman, I don't know why you have such sudden admiration. Here's someone you showed NO respect for when you lied to him and the club. I think this might be just another act on your part. You will never be "up to par" with the Teenage Republican leader. Yes that is very true. However I find it odd that you say that since just last night here on this forum you tried to trash him in every way possible.

[Keystone Phil]

I do not want to betray my old SEPTAR friends so therefore we all need to be civil.

Ya know I am going to be civil but this annoys me beyond belief. You don't want to betray SEPTARS? You really aren't serious when you speak. I know you aren't. You don't want to betray SEPTARS but you spy on the club and laugh at us when you admit that you were never a Republican and just joined to find out how we operated. I really can't take a word you say with any seriousness. You lost my respect when betrayed us earlier this year. I no longer wish to discuss this because it just annoys me that you can put on such a show and belief nothing you say AND because this forum is for political discussion. No one wants to read this on the forum because it's personal conversation and at this point I don't wish to discuss this either.

[Keystone Phil]

Mark, you should too!  I am not asking you to switch your postion on abortion, but Allyson Schwartz is a far better, more principled candidate.

Handzus, Mark isn't serious. I know the kid. He's playing his usual games. He isn't considering Brown, in my opinion, because he spent his whole first day on the board trashing her campaign. He couldn't just change his mind so easily in about an hour.

And as for you "realizing" a lot of things in society that we have yet to, don't give anyone here a little "well when you get older you realize things" speech. It has nothing to do with maturity or age, it has to do with principle. I'm pro life and always will be.

[Keystone Phil]

My decision is set and it is a final one. I am supporting Allyson Schwartz after much prayer and thought. Even though she is Pro- Choice. Her educational views about the No Child Left Behind Law and the money the school districts need and not getting because in Washington DC it is not a priority. I also support her because she is about getting the Veterans benefits where they should be. Veterans should be able to go to a VA hospital if need be because they fought for our country proudly. President Bush cut Veterans benefits enormously this year. Therefore leaving Veterans, Va Hospitals, and homes left out to dry. That should not be especially now with the war in Iraq and we have men and women out there looking for their veterans benefits when they get older and they have been cut. Now is that right.  My grandfather is a veteran and I feel they should get the proper benefits for fighting for our country. So there you have it Allyson Schwartz for Congress!

Wow, Mark! You REALLY surprised me with that one. We know you supported her all along and you admitted you supported her when you first joined. THEN you caught yourself in contradictions when you said you supported neither candidate. You surprised no one with your "decision" tonight.

[Keystone Phil]

You are entitled to your opinion. I do not attack for supporting melissa. I am leaving this forum as well tonight because PA 13 really doesnt concern me considering I live in PA 8 and most of my club does, but being the chairman of the Philadelphia Teenage Democrats and this being such a close race known across the country, I had to support a candidate and I feel I supported the right candidate.

Well you voiced your opinions while here and while we got into our arguements...it was entertaining.

[Keystone Phil]

I am a democrat and I support brown because I go to Catholic High School even though she is pro choice she against funding to planned parenthoods and against partial birth abortion so therefore I support her more then Allyson. Allyson is an abortion advocate.  

A DEMOCRAT WITH BRAINS!

[Keystone Phil]

When it comes to malpractice suits and prescription drugs Melissa is the best candidate because she was a doctor and she knows how to face these issues. Allyson Schwartz will not since in senate she voted no on SB 9. Melissa knows we have a struggling school district and wants to better it. I believe in Melissa although you do not thats fine,  but melissa is the better candidate in this race.

I'm really glad to see a Democrat here supporting Brown. She definetley is the best candidate in the race and even the Dems know it.

[Keystone Phil]

You know what will make Melissa win is all the dems who will vote for her in november.

You have yet to counter any of my arguments.  I would still like to hear them.

He's right, Handzus. The Northeast Philly Dems aren't big fans of Schwartz and they know Brown a lot better. Face it, she's a popular candidate. She came within 4 points of beating an incumbent that many thought would be safe in 2002.

[Keystone Phil]

Cook and Sabato can put it in the solid Dem column for all I care. They don't know the district like the locals do. They obviously don't see the fact that Brown is a popular and well known candidate who is taking on the issues that matter most to the voters here. PA 13 - GOP pickup.

[Keystone Phil]

 She has never held political office

 NEWSFLASH - Your beloved Torsella never held political office either!

[Keystone Phil]

 She has never held political office

 NEWSFLASH - Your beloved Torsella never held political office either!

Actually let me correct that. Joe Torsella DID hold "political" office as Deputy Mayor under the Rendell administration. However, I thought you were referring to ELECTED office which Torsella never held.

[Keystone Phil]

BUT Allyson Schwartz has

I think you left out alittle something Handzus...she is a State Senator, yes, BUT only a small portion of her Senate district is inside PA 13. She is an elected official BUT moved into the district when the PA 13 seat opened up. She is an elected official BUT she is completley unknown. Even if Bush does horrible here, the voters of PA 13 know how to split the ticket. Example: 2002. Rendell cruised to victory here but Brown gained 47% in the Congressional race against an incumbent. This year, Brown has the edge.