PA 13

[Keystone Phil]

Schwartz is (IMO) the favourite to win PA-13... it's worth remembering that Montgomery county-based Hoeffel still beat Brown in the NE Philly part of PA-13 (despite the merger of two districts the results were very similer in both halves of the district) and that that part of PA-13 was a de facto open seat.

However, 1) Schwartz is not as well known as Brown. 2) Brown is well known and popular in this area. 3) Schwartz is further left than Joe Hoeffel and the reason why Hoeffel was re-elected was because he can portray himself as a moderate (with his voting record, I have no idea how anyone could believe he's a moderate. After this Senate race, maybe the voters statewide will see just how liberal he is.) Schwartz will have a very hard time making herself out to be a moderate.

Brown is going to win this race. PA13 - GOP pickup.

[Keystone Phil]

To say she's unknown is false.    

Compared to Brown, she is not as well known and you can't argue that.

[Keystone Phil]

Schwartz is (IMO) the favourite to win PA-13... it's worth remembering that Montgomery county-based Hoeffel still beat Brown in the NE Philly part of PA-13 (despite the merger of two districts the results were very similer in both halves of the district) and that that part of PA-13 was a de facto open seat.

However, 1) Schwartz is not as well known as Brown. 2) Brown is well known and popular in this area. 3) Schwartz is further left than Joe Hoeffel and the reason why Hoeffel was re-elected was because he can portray himself as a moderate (with his voting record, I have no idea how anyone could believe he's a moderate. After this Senate race, maybe the voters statewide will see just how liberal he is.) Schwartz will have a very hard time making herself out to be a moderate.

Brown is going to win this race. PA13 - GOP pickup.

Hoeffel didn't win because he was seen as a moderate... PA-13 isn't exactly Texas ya know...

Oh really? Please tell me why then? I say this with all due respect, I live in this district and people here like to think Joe Hoeffel is a moderate Dem. Unfortunatley, some still believe this even though he has never received above a 10 in the American Conservative Union ratings.

[Keystone Phil]

To timsadem (more applies to you) and KeystonePhil:

Have both of you read the positions of both candidates running for Congress.  I know I have and I found Allyson Schwartz is far more clear, concise, and detailed about her stances and what she plans on doing.  I just got done finishing a 5 page report on what Allyson Schwartz plans on doing about freeing our dependence from foreign oil.  Allyson Schwartz has plan to raise fuel efficincy standards and appropritate tax credits where applicable in concise detail.  She also mentions what she has accomplished as a State Senator.  Please note that finding alternative energy soucres plays a key role in our national security.  

I have also read Melissa Brown's.  What are they?  She doesn't want to offend her buddies now does she?  I did mention in a previous post that Melissa Brown did indeed receive a hefty endorsement from the Philadelphia FOP.  Now that were on the subject of political contributors, here they are.  The source is straight from Melissa Brown's website:


Congresswoman Melissa Hart, PA-4

If Rick Santorum were a woman, this would be it!

...and you want your points to be taken seriously?

[Keystone Phil]

I'm sorry Mr. KeystoneGOPTroll did I hit a nerve?  

Ha...I'm the troll? Last time I checked I don't flip out like you. I mean seriously, what was your EXCELLENT argument saying that if Rick Santorum was a woman, Hart would be it. What was the reasoning there?

Don't accuse me of being brainwashed, either. I form my own opinions and just because you are angry that a conservative like myself resides in NE Philly doesn't mean that conservative is "brainwashed."

[Keystone Phil]

Oh please tell me Handzus, why does someone NEED an abortion? I think I know why...they get willingly get pregnant and have no way out so they think ENDING AN INNOCENT LIFE because they didn't want to get pregnant is the way out. Give it a rest, Handzus.

And I have to point out something that really amuses me...you say you want reform in Section 8 but you are supporting a candidate who won't even address the issue! Do you think Schwartz will mention Section 8 during the campaign? Unless asked about it during a debate, I HIGHLY doubt she'll ever mention it.

Oh and please move past your cliches about poorly educated white men that write to the NE Times and the Archie Bunker religious zealots that you always talk about. Why is it that the conservatives always "brainwash" people? I think you don't want to believe that there are conservatives here, Handzus and we aren't brainwashed. I find that to be an excuse whenever I talk to a liberal. They always think that a conservative my age didn't reach the conclusion to be a conservative on my own. Well let me make it known to you Handzus and anyone else, I AM A CONSERVATIVE AND I CHOSE TO BE A CONSERVATIVE. NO ONE made that decision for me.

Also, if you think Brown's only issue is Section 8 you really don't know the candidate. Medical malpractice and tort reform are other big issues she is focusing on. What's Schwartz's message? Is it something like.. I'm not a Republican. I don't support the Bush adminstration. Wow! That's a GREAT platform! Sure. Go to her site and you'll see she has a poll about Cheney being VP. Where is the focus on the ISSUES, Handzus?

[Keystone Phil]

In response to you Phil, She has never even mentioned the topic of Section 8 reform because she doesn't want to use scare tactics to win this election.

...Or she just doesn't want to discuss the issues important to the PA 13 voters...

Oh and Demotroll, I don't think anyone cares about what you are sick of hearing. You don't live in PA 13, you obviously don't know what they voters care about so saying that you are "sick" of hearing about Section 8 means very little to anyone.

[Keystone Phil]

Section 8 housing is not an important issue.To the people of Pa 13 an important issue would be Affordable Prescription Drugs, Revision of the No Child Left Behind Act. I know I do not live in PA 13, but I have relatives, friends, colleagues, and neighbors that do live in PA 13 so I hear their concerns and they are sick of hearing  Stop Section 8 housing vote melissa brown for congress. Melissa has no pryor political experience why do you think she will do so great in washington.

Having prior political experience would been good but because she has none doesn't mean she'll do bad in DC. She'd be a much stronger voice than Schwartz and has great knowledge on the issues. Section 8 is not the only issue. She is discussing medical malpractice reform, tort reform, job creation and homeland security. So you and Handzus should stop thinking her ONLY issue is Section 8. Also, you still don't get that Section 8 IS a major issue here. I don't need to here from someone that's not in this district what is and what is not important to the voters here. Maybe your friends and relatives (colleagues? You have colleagues in what?) might not care about it but they certainly don't speak for voters in Mayfair and Bridesburg who are DIRECTLY effected.

[Keystone Phil]

First of all Phil I have colleagues in the Dept of Recreation and Free Library of Philadelphia in the city. Second of all Phill how will Melissa know how to make job creation when she lived on a farm in RURAL TN.

WHAT? First of all, I guess they don't have JOBS on FARMS? That was the most idiotic comment I have ever seen. Secondly, she only lived in RURAL TN for about a year or two as a CHILD. Why don't we talk about Schwartz living in NYC and not even living in PA13. Brown has lived and raised her family here.

And also, what are you talking about Section 8 isn't a problem? Go talk to the actual people EFFECTED by it, Demotroll, not some realtor. Also, saying that people claim Section 8 on their block and really don't is also an idiotic comment. People know when its Section 8 and they know that it needs REAL reform, not just talk. (Actually, like you said, Schwartz won't even discuss it. Hmmm ignoring a concern of the voters?) I think you guys want to downplay the problems of the district. You want to ignore the problems that exist. That is why Schwartz won't talk about it. We have real concerns here in PA 13 and we will have a REAL leader address these concerns in Congress. Her name is Melissa Brown.

[Keystone Phil]

 I live in PA-13 adn I am voting for Allyson Schwartz.    

I would have never thought...

[Keystone Phil]

Considering the pitfalls of the Bush Administration, I do not feel any candidate echoing them regardless of their views on Section 8 housing can sway my vote.

Let me say that though Brown supports President Bush in areas, she does not echo anyone. She is her own voice. If you won't support Brown, fine but don't accuse her of just an echo. She has strong beliefs and she will voice what she believes.

[Keystone Phil]

Oh please tell me Handzus, why does someone NEED an abortion? I think I know why...they get willingly get pregnant and have no way out so they think ENDING AN INNOCENT LIFE because they didn't want to get pregnant is the way out. Give it a rest, Handzus.

And I have to point out something that really amuses me...you say you want reform in Section 8 but you are supporting a candidate who won't even address the issue! Do you think Schwartz will mention Section 8 during the campaign? Unless asked about it during a debate, I HIGHLY doubt she'll ever mention it.

Oh and please move past your cliches about poorly educated white men that write to the NE Times and the Archie Bunker religious zealots that you always talk about. Why is it that the conservatives always "brainwash" people? I think you don't want to believe that there are conservatives here, Handzus and we aren't brainwashed. I find that to be an excuse whenever I talk to a liberal. They always think that a conservative my age didn't reach the conclusion to be a conservative on my own. Well let me make it known to you Handzus and anyone else, I AM A CONSERVATIVE AND I CHOSE TO BE A CONSERVATIVE. NO ONE made that decision for me.

Also, if you think Brown's only issue is Section 8 you really don't know the candidate. Medical malpractice and tort reform are other big issues she is focusing on. What's Schwartz's message? Is it something like.. I'm not a Republican. I don't support the Bush adminstration. Wow! That's a GREAT platform! Sure. Go to her site and you'll see she has a poll about Cheney being VP. Where is the focus on the ISSUES, Handzus?

Why should a poorer person be denied the pleasure of sex because they can ill afford the consequences thereafter?

Why? I'll tell you why...because ending a life is more serious than someone fulfilling their own desires. That's a problem in society that you fail to realize. It's this belief that someone's desires come before more important things. It is DISGUSTING to think of someone saying something along the lines of...well I can fulfill my desire and then just get an abortion. No big deal. Now tell me that is not sick. That innocent life is more important to me than anyone's desires.

[Keystone Phil]

Considering the pitfalls of the Bush Administration, I do not feel any candidate echoing them regardless of their views on Section 8 housing can sway my vote.

Let me say that though Brown supports President Bush in areas, she does not echo anyone. She is her own voice. If you won't support Brown, fine but don't accuse her of just an echo. She has strong beliefs and she will voice what she believes.

Oh, Brown supports President Bush IN THE MAJOR AREAS!  

Ok? Does that mean she will echo everything President Bush says? No. What if I turned around and said Schwartz supports John Street in major areas and that makes her an "echo." Oh no then it wouldn't be fair, right Handzus?

[Keystone Phil]

You really haven't a Goddamn clue do you?  You don't think anti-abortionism is horribly skewed against the poor and working class

When a baby is aborted, Handzus, it doesn't matter if it's coming from a poor mother or a working class mother or a middle class mother or a wealthy mother. Maybe YOU haven't a clue.  If someone WILLINGLY gets pregnant, they are RESPONSIBLE for that life. Remember that Handzus, it's a LIFE.

[Keystone Phil]

You really haven't a Goddamn clue do you?  You don't think anti-abortionism is horribly skewed against the poor and working class

When a baby is aborted, Handzus, it doesn't matter if it's coming from a poor mother or a working class mother or a middle class mother or a wealthy mother. Maybe YOU haven't a clue.  If someone WILLINGLY gets pregnant, they are RESPONSIBLE for that life. Remember that Handzus, it's a LIFE.

Well maybe there are times a baby is better aborted (in the early stages of course).  The problem with you is you think within this little world of the white neighbood with a huge parish church in the middle.  Guess what, those days are coming to close buddy!  The reason Northeast Philly has an immodicum of conservatism is because these 50-60 something white men who were probably once Democrats are secure in their fixed pension from the FOP or wherever and think it's ok to now worry about a black person moving on their block or yes, abortion.  Some of these men are PETRIFIED of their precious white Catholic neighborhood turning black.  I feel many of these men must have forgot what it was like 30 years ago when they too were worried about getting drafted and not being able to find work.  

If you want to turn this into your Northeast Philly white Catholic males between the ages of 50-60 are racists  then I will not continue this conversation. That's what you and your pals like to turn to when you don't have a good arguement and I don't want to hear it anymore.

And let me tell you this...I don't think that NE Philly is one giant white neighborhood with a Catholic parish in the middle. Your stereotyping is getting old, Handzus. Find some arguements instead of the same old garbage you like to throw out there.

[Keystone Phil]

...and with my last post, PA13 thread is now #10 on the "Most replies" list.

[Keystone Phil]

You have proven this point of mine in previous posts by saying hwo Section 8 and yes Medical Malpractice are teh end all be all of issues.  

They are not the only issues. Brown is focusing on Section 8 reform, medical malpractice reform.. (which you still refuse to admit are two major issues here in PA 13. But that's ok. When the morning after the election roles around you'll see what is important to the voters)..tort reform, job creation, homeland security...her campaign is not just focused on Section 8, Handzus. You obviously don't know much about her candidacy if you think she is only stressing Section 8 reform.

[Keystone Phil]

You have proven this point of mine in previous posts by saying hwo Section 8 and yes Medical Malpractice are teh end all be all of issues.  

They are not the only issues. Brown is focusing on Section 8 reform, medical malpractice reform.. (which you still refuse to admit are two major issues here in PA 13. But that's ok. When the morning after the election roles around you'll see what is important to the voters)..tort reform, job creation, homeland security...her campaign is not just focused on Section 8, Handzus. You obviously don't know much about her candidacy if you think she is only stressing Section 8 reform.

 Melissa Brown's statement on job creation was merely Bush's tax cuts were helpgul which IMO is false.  THAT WAS IT!!

Really? Well you continue to prove to me that you know nothing about the candidate. Read this Handzus, and then tell me all she mentions are Bush's tax cuts... http://www.melissabrownforcongress.com/issues/jobs.htm

[Keystone Phil]

...and with my last post, PA13 thread is now #10 on the "Most replies" list.

Where is this list located?

Now PA 13 is #9!  https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?board=;action=stats

[Keystone Phil]

Phil get back on the subject PLEASE

Umm Demotroll, just because I brought up alittle side note and someone asked me about it doesn't mean I am off topic totally. And really, you shouldn't talk, when you have change the subject time and time again while on this thread.

Also, your last post was really pointless. If you don't have anything to say, why are you posting? If you wanted to post a point of yours, then go ahead. No need to tell me to get back on subject when I was answering someone's question.

[Keystone Phil]

Melissa Brown for congress..... Stop section 8 housing vote melissa brown for congress heheh.... the only issue she uses because it can help her win her race against the nice and intellectual Allyson Schwartz. Allyson Schwartz for congress.... Affordable Prescription Drugs for ALL....... Your choice who is the better candidate. Melissa needs to stop verbally attacking her candidates. People are picking up on it Joe Hoeffel, Ellen Bard, and now Allyson Schwartz am I the only one seeing this pattern. I highly doubt it.

You really don't want to admit that Section 8 is NOT the only issue Brown is bringing up. Jobs, homeland security, medical malpractice...you really need to realize that she is discussing all types of issues while Schwartz ignores what is important. AND Brown is not verbally attacking Schwartz. I have never see that happen, Demotroll, and I bet you didn't either.

[Keystone Phil]

Melissa Brown for congress..... Stop section 8 housing vote melissa brown for congress heheh.... the only issue she uses because it can help her win her race against the nice and intellectual Allyson Schwartz. Allyson Schwartz for congress.... Affordable Prescription Drugs for ALL....... Your choice who is the better candidate. Melissa needs to stop verbally attacking her candidates. People are picking up on it Joe Hoeffel, Ellen Bard, and now Allyson Schwartz am I the only one seeing this pattern. I highly doubt it.

You really don't want to admit that Section 8 is NOT the only issue Brown is bringing up. Jobs, homeland security, medical malpractice...you really need to realize that she is discussing all types of issues while Schwartz ignores what is important. AND Brown is not verbally attacking Schwartz. I have never see that happen, Demotroll, and I bet you didn't either.

Well she did to Joe Hoeffel and Ellen Bard.  Jobs??? HA!  What lot of jobs at Wal-Mart that pay $6/hr. with no benefits!! Come on here.  She thinks that tax breaks for the wealthy create jobs.  Trickle down economics does not work son.  

Hey want to know what really doesn't work? Not addressing the issues that matter to voters. You might not like to admit it Handzus but Section 8 reform DOES matter here. And Demotroll has admitted that Schwartz refuses to discuss it. Now is that what the voters want, Handzus? I don't think so.

[Keystone Phil]

People in both Northeast Phialdelphia and Montogomery Co. voted Hoeffel in 2002 and what makes 2004 is any different?  

I have no clue? Or do you just refuse to admit your candidate will lose this election? It's Brown vs. Schwartz, not Hoeffel vs. Brown again. THAT is the difference this election (did you not realize that little detail yet, Handzus?). Your candidate is even further left than Hoeffel and people aren't going to accept her positions.

[Keystone Phil]

Hey Phil, I think people will elect Allyson Schwartz in November because she has done a lot for her district as state senator and it will carry onto Congress. I think she has the right stuff to get Affordable Prescription Drugs for all and Jobs with good benefits in NE Philly and Mont Co. The kind of stuff Melissa Brown doesn't have.

Well where is Schwartz's experience as a doctor, Mark? Or as small buisness owner? Brown has experience on issues like job creation and medical malpractice and prescription drugs. Voters will realize Schwartz's time as a State Senator...out of the PA 13 district! Brown has lived here much of life and has raised her family here. Her experience with this district is better than any other candidate. The people know and like her.

[Keystone Phil]

Okay, The people of PA 13  do not know Melissa Brown because she lived in that district, I am not saying Allyson Schwartz people know

Ok well that line just made no sense at all. Not surprising though...

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Being a doctor gives Melissa a lot of experience on the issue.

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Congress has nothing to do with medical malpratice issues? I won't even respond to that its so ridiculous...