I Have Officially Left the RCC

[Keystone Phil]

To address one specific point from your post - I don't like if there is an emphasis only on money in a homily but I do realize, and hopefully you will, too, whether you be Catholic or not, that this Church is in desperate need of money. I saw the budget for my old high school and it'll probably get pretty bad soon. The schools and the Church as a whole are struggling and if they don't get the funding that they need, the Catholic Church in the U.S. is going to be in a lot of trouble (as if it isn't bad enough).

I won't comment on your other reasons for leaving the Church. I just hope that this doesn't turn into a Catholic bashing thread.

[Keystone Phil]

how liberal the church has become

LOL!!!!

In many ways it has, Harry.

[Keystone Phil]

I just hope that this doesn't turn into a Catholic bashing thread.

Ok, then we’ll save for another day a discussion on the fact the RCC claims Muslims who reject Jesus Christ’s deity and resurrection are still saved through worship of Allah.  We wouldn’t want to “bash” anyone by lifting up Jesus as the one and only path to God.

You know, I kind of feel bad for you when people attack you for religious reasons but then I think of the stuff you say about Catholics/myself and realize that you deserve everything they throw at you.

[Keystone Phil]

has anyone heard from Keystone Phil since his last post in this thread?

No, I died.

how liberal the church has become

LOL!!!!

In many ways it has, Harry.

Give some examples.

Many people believe that our whole way of worship has liberalized (please note that I am not talking about liberal in the sense that the Church has changed its position on issues like abortion, marriage, etc.). Liberalizing mass has been a topic of debate for some time now. Examples of that liberalization would be not using Latin, allowing Saturday evening mass (which I love and almost always attend), etc.

[Keystone Phil]

Examples of that liberalization would be not using Latin

Are you referring to speaking Latin or are you referring to the Latin Mass?

Speaking Latin during the mass.

So some people think the church has gotten too liberal by doing mass in a language people can actually understand? That sounds like plain old common sense to me.

What's so special about Latin anyway? Jesus didn't speak it.

For once, can you try your hardest not to throw in an assinine remark? I honestly don't care that you don't like Latin in the mass. I don't like it either and I'd be directly affected if it was implemented but I don't whine about it like you do and it doesn't even concern you.

Whether you like it or not, removing Latin from the mass, whether a good move or not, is a form of liberalization of our celebration.

[Keystone Phil]

Couple of points I would like to make... even though I left the RCC I will defend it from unfair attacks.

#1 For the 40,000,000th f***ing time, Latin is a FORMAT for Mass... the Mass doesn't need to be done in Latin to be a Latin Mass.  The readings from the scriptures were NEVER done in Latin (at least not in modern times) and nor was the sermon... only the parts that are repeated every single Mass... older people I talk to say that they understood it just fine, because they heard it their whole lives.  It seems that only people who were young during the era when the transition was made complain about not being able to understand it.  Second, the whole rationale for using Latin was so that a Catholic could go anywhere in the world and still understand what was going on.  It was UNIVERSAL... which is what the word "Catholic" means.

#2 What kinda backwords area do you live in that you can't find a time to attend Mass?  Erie is only a small city and we have Masses that run pretty much around the clock from Saturday night to Sunday at 7:00PM.  There is always at least one Church having Mass during that time period in the area... you just have to not be lazy and acctually look for one.  I know the situation almost anywhere in Europe is the same.  "I can't get up on Sunday" is no excuse.

Amen.

You should have known that certain people were going to spew their ignorance, Super.