Gift certificates for...abortions?

[Keystone Phil]

Wow. They're really pushing people towards physical illness.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/lifestyle/health/chi-talk-planneddec03,0,3497971.story

[Keystone Phil]

The article says that only about 5% of their "patients" are there for abortions, so chill and be happy Phil.

Ah, yes. I should be "happy" about only 5,000 abortions. Of course.

Gift certificates being used for abortions is just wrong. As the Pro Lifer in the article states, they could have specifically stated that the certificates cannot be used for abortions but they didn't. They live for irritating people. No surprise that this comes out during the Christmas season either.

But, yes, I should be "happy."

[Keystone Phil]

Abortions cost like 400 dollars, right?

Just ask for a lot of certificates!

[Keystone Phil]

Hmmmm... Phil, if your thread title is accurate, then it might be accurate to say

You only support Rick Santorum because you believe in privatizing the weather service.

Uh...how do the two compare? The gift certificates are for contraception and abortions.

[Keystone Phil]

I'm just pointing out that what you put in the thread title and what is actually written in the article are two different things.

The certificates can be used for abortions.

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Good for them. I'm sure they'd be thrilled to know that they're supporting a group which uses their money to perform abortions and make a mockery out of Christmas by promoting abortion as a gift this season. Very nice.

[Keystone Phil]

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It's a gift certificate that can be used for contraception/testing and abortion. They decided this would be a clever idea for the Christmas season. You putting two and two together yet? 

[Keystone Phil]

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It's a gift certificate that can be used for contraception/testing and abortion. They decided this would be a clever idea for the Christmas season. You putting two and two together yet? 

No.. I must not get it, because I haven't wholeheartedly agreed with you yet. 

So, what's the solution?

Do we ban gift certificates for all forms of health care?  Or just organizations you don't like?

You are so insanely dishonest with many of my arguments. It's really irritating.

I'm not for banning gift certificates. I'm just saying that this is beyond tasteless. I think you have to be pretty dense to not understand why they'd be doing this this time of year.

[Keystone Phil]

But I wouldn't lambaste you for buying somebody a gift card from Target because condoms and other contraceptives represent a portion of their sales.

Ok, I think I made it pretty clear that my problem was with the abortions and it's not far to compare this to Target's contraceptive sales.

One of Planned Parenthood's major reasons for existence is to provide abortions and I can guarantee that they make more off of abortions than Target does off of contraceptives.

[Keystone Phil]

It's not a gift card for an abortion, it's a gift card that can be used for an abortion. Big difference.

You can get gift cards to retailers that sell guns. I'm sure that greatly offends WalterMitty types. Do you agree there Phil? There's always going to be ways to get things you don't like, deal with it.

It's disgusting to think of these things as "gifts." There is something very wrong about this. Please consider the timing as well. Don't tell me that this wasn't done on purpose. Disgusting.

[Keystone Phil]

Once again, these things can be used for non-abortions. Many non-disgusting "gifts".

It could have been specified that Planned Parenthood would not recognize these certificates for abortions. We've reached a pathetic low when we start treating this issue as if it is a present for people.

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They're always digging for a way to irritate the religious, BRTD. I know you were once Pro Life but I think deep down you're still sympathetic to those opposed to abortion. I don't know why I feel that way but I think that that's the case.

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We know that Walter (as much as I like the guy) is irrational on that. Don't compare it to that.

[Keystone Phil]

The point here is that I would expect even Planned Parenthood to know when they crossed the line. Yes, I can see how this could be seen as admitting that their stance is wrong but there are some tactics that shouldn't be used (for example, I dislike the use of graphic images of an aborted fetus by Pro Life advocates).

Wouldn't that contradict what you said here?

Well, no, not really. I really wonder if you're genuinely Pro Choice.

[Keystone Phil]

Are people really making the cash comparison? Really?

The point is that these abortions are being reduced to gift status. Many of the most vocal Pro Choice advocates would be disturbed by reducing the seriousness of this issue.

What ever happened to the free market and keeping government out of people's lives? You want to be socially Conservative, fine, but now you're not being economically Conservative. PP wants to make money, they found a niche in the market, so be it.

How does this not make me an economic conservative? I've made it quite clear that I don't support banning these certificates. However, as an economic conservative, I don't have to personally like everything being sold.

And I've explained why abortion isn't an issue where we believe in "keeping government out of people's lives." I think you know what my argument would be so don't play that game.