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« on: August 19, 2014, 05:26:28 AM »

If TNF can't speak against partisanship, I think I can:
As I said before the vote (which no one responded to) unless the nominee is grossly incompetent, and even then, the senate simply does not have the right to intervene.

This is not a matter of whether you think there should be a labor VP. That has already been decided for you, by the electorate. What Lumine and all the other nay voters are doing is a blatant violation of democracy, exactly the same as a representative who changes party straight after the election, a politician who campaigns for something then votes against it, a governor who appoints someone of a completely different viewpoint to fill a vacancy.

I honestly could not care less about the weird feud that Lumine seems to have with TNF. In fact, as TNF knows only too well, often I agree with Lumine over him. This has nothing to do with that.

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« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2014, 12:32:53 PM »

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A major problem is we were unaware of these concerns until final vote time.


Two other things:

Firstly, I didn't support the power bill until I got called on it, and then withdrew that support in a moderate hero way. I supported it because I failed to really follow the bill (Something I'm not proud of, but something which is also true of every senator just due to human nature) and therefore mistakenly assumed the bill would lead to something like the situation in other countries which have nationalised energy.

Secondly, if you read the senate rules, this really should not be about Tyrion being able to force through anything labor wants. For one thing, labor really isn't united enough to do that, especially given the shifting of the centre the game has seen over the last few years and months. Even if we somehow united to push through energy nationalisation though, all it would take would be an occasional post by the right, because labor can not break cloture.

Ultimately this has to come down to whether you think the public's will of electing a labor VP for 4 months should be respected or not.
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« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2014, 12:39:51 PM »

I assume you Laborites would have eagerly supported the appointment of Robert Bork, yes?

I supported the nomination of torie.
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« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2014, 12:50:11 PM »

Oh, come on. Dear Torie was nearly nominated by my predecessor and I consulted with him prior to nominating Torie. I'll not have The People's Administration turned into some firebreathing group of radicals nor will I allow The Era to be tarnished. We were just handsome boys with a radical gay agenda.

Sure, but as a republican he doesn't exactly represent my political views. Besides, in that case, as in the case of a certain other R-NY I voted against the majority of my party.

Say what you like about my position that we should let the executive branch appoint who they want, but it's not something I discovered after labor's nominees started to get voted down.
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