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« on: January 18, 2017, 05:51:08 PM »
« edited: January 18, 2017, 05:52:58 PM by bore »

The triumphalist social liberals in this thread invoking Europe as a pro abortion nirvana really need to look at the actual abortion laws in Europe.

Basically it comes up far less as a political issue in large part because the laws are a messy compromise which satisfy neither activist pro choicers or activist pro lifers (although because of when the majority of abortions occur the arrangement obviously favours pro choicers)


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« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2017, 06:56:06 AM »

The triumphalist social liberals in this thread invoking Europe as a pro abortion nirvana really need to look at the actual abortion laws in Europe.

Basically it comes up far less as a political issue in large part because the laws are a messy compromise which satisfy neither activist pro choicers or activist pro lifers (although because of when the majority of abortions occur the arrangement obviously favours pro choicers)




usually, afaik, there are restrictions regarding the timeline......but there is no major party in western europe which is able to make a winning topic out of outlawing abortions.

Err...

That's exactly my point.  Abortion as an issue is far less politicised in Europe in large part because the laws are stricter than in America.
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« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2017, 06:00:01 PM »

That's exactly my point.  Abortion as an issue is far less politicised in Europe in large part because the laws are stricter than in America.

i don't think so.

otherwise the states who are able to regulate it wouldn't go waaaaaaay further than that limit.

imho it's more of a religious question.

Which states are you referring to here? American? European?

If I understand your position correctly, and I may not because it's not quite clear, your argument is that I'm wrong because Republicans push for far stronger anti abortion legislation than is operative in europe. But this is just my point. The Democratic Party is at this point, at the officeholding level, pretty much universally in favour of unrestricted abortion access. The Republican party is at this point, at the officeholding level, pretty much universally in favour of no access to abortion at all, save for maybe the usual 3 exceptions of rape, incest and life of the mother. The population as a whole are strongly in favour of legal abortion, but also strongly in favour of restrictions based on the stage of the pregnancy. In other words, the legal situation in most of europe. Legal abortion, but not in every case.

If the legal situation in the US, nationwide, was like that of, say, France, then I find it difficult to believe that either Republicans or Democrats would be able to make quite as much hay out of the issue, given that any change, either towards or away from liberalisation, would go against a fairly large majority of the electorate.

As to your repeated vague allusions to religion, I take your point that abortion as an issue in the US is very strongly correlated to religious belief. But then so are things like gun control, and support for raising or lowering income taxes. There is no necessary link between atheism and being pro choice, especially when it comes to late stage pregnancies, where abortion is actually a live political issue. And if you're right, it would raise the question as to why there has been no real push towards further liberalisation in rapidly secularising europe.
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