Delgate Count

[Gustaf]

true and there have been some rumblings amongst some of deans.  

However, if he could take the expectations out of it he could be ina  for a long time slugging it out.  Any of the 4 conceiveably have a chance.

Dean needs at least 2d in NH and continuing to get 2-3 throughout the country.  Edwards and Clark need a win feb 3 and or high finishes.  Kerry I don't know.  He has not done anything in Feb 3 states and so i wonder if winning these 2 will be it.  Or will he get the momentum and roll.  

Superdelegates are not bound.  They can change their vote right up to the last minute.

Truth be told they are more of an honorary position than anything.  They almost always go with the winner of the primaries.

Considering the enormous momentum effect so far in Iowa and New Hampshire, I think Kerry could do reasonably well on Feb 3rd.

[Gustaf]

War of attrition
    "Once again the mainstream media miss the big picture," Robert Moran writes at National Review Online (www.nationalreview.com).
    "Instead of seeing the forest that is the Democratic primary system, they're analyzing bark. Big mistake," said Mr. Moran, a vice president at Republican polling firm Fabrizio, McLaughlin & Associates Inc.
    "It's always easier for talking heads to focus on the micro-level engagements that a camera can easily capture. But, when actual thought and knowledge of the Democratic primary system comes in, the picture quality starts to blur.
    "The big picture that the mainstream media is missing is that (a) the Democrats are in for a protracted battle for the nomination in which (b) no candidate may be able to garner a majority of the 3,500 pledged delegates. And (c) even if one candidate is able to get the delegates he needs before the process concludes, he will be bloodied and broke.
    "Republicans should be smiling.
    "Newsflash for mainstream journalists: Democratic presidential hopefuls do not actually win states. They win delegates proportionate to their support within that state (Article 2, Section 4b of their charter). The Democratic Party's primary system is not winner-take-all, like the GOP's."

That is true, but doesn't matter until the media says it does, since politics is all about perception.

[Gustaf]

what is the superdelegate coutn now for each candidate. i believe kerry maybe have 61 nwo withe Fmr. VP Mondale, and the addition of 2 more Senators in his campagin.

There is a tally here, though I don't know when it was last updated:
http://www.freewebs.com/goobergunch/gpr.html

They have the ugliest map of America that I have ever seen...

[Gustaf]

New Delegate coundt post-Feb. 3rd:

Sen. John Kerry - 244
Gov. Howard Dean - 121
Sen. John Edwards - 102
Gen. Wesley Clark - 79
Rev. Al Sharpton - 5
Rep. Dennis Kucinich - 2

That includes super delegates, doesn't it?

[Gustaf]

Yeah, it does. Dean has accumulated the most SDs I believe, but as the joementum (er, kerrymentum) increases, Kerry could overtake him there.

Won't some of the super delegates leave the sinking ship soon?

[Gustaf]

I am just making a post to get this on the front page again...

[Gustaf]

According to CNN, the current stand is as follows:

Kerry: 613

Dean: 202

Edwards: 192

Clark: 57

Sharpton: 16

Kucinich: 2

2161 deleagtes are needed. Obviously Dean and Clark's numbers should soon drop, since they dropped out. This includes super delegates, I believe.

[Gustaf]

According to MSNBC...the delegate count is...

Kerry       608
Dean        201
Edwards     190
Clark        57
Sharpton     16
Kucinich      2
Other         1

With 2162 needed to win.

And according to Dave's Primary results...the delegate count is....

Kerry      466
Edwards    161
Dean       104
Clark       63
Sharpton    12

I'm guessing Dave isn't counting the SUPER delegates....but why would CNN and MSNBC differ in their results?

B/c of the liberal media conspiracy, of course.

[Gustaf]

According to MSNBC...the delegate count is...

Kerry       608
Dean        201
Edwards     190
Clark        57
Sharpton     16
Kucinich      2
Other         1

With 2162 needed to win.

And according to Dave's Primary results...the delegate count is....

Kerry      466
Edwards    161
Dean       104
Clark       63
Sharpton    12

I'm guessing Dave isn't counting the SUPER delegates....but why would CNN and MSNBC differ in their results?

B/c of the liberal media conspiracy, of course.

the delgate count is actually now including supers:

John Kerry - 613
Dean - 202
Edwards - 192
BIG AL - 12

I posted these above...