Abolish The Pacific: a four-region plan that might be crazy enough to work

[Adam Griffin]

I guess this is a proposal I could support, but the great problem would be that we literally tried to abolish us. We (me, DemPGH, a few others) tried, and the Pacific was not in favour. Without approval from the Pacific, the South and the Midwest, this is not going to work; and I doubt the Pacific will now be in favour of this.

And if you look at the voter rolls in the Pacific now, it surely isn't bound to happen these days. Even with a crowdsourced-aggregate map and detailed plan that we spent months on, people couldn't get on board. But anyone who's wanting to continue carrying the torch of consolidation need only finish ratifying FTRA in (2?) of the 3 regions that have yet to ratify it to begin the next phase (consent; Senate). If a majority of a regional legislature is willing to support that, then they can use the 17th Amendment to make it happen (at least that one part of the consolidation), but of course there is the part you mention about actually getting people to support it through a majority region-wide vote - which is part of the consent process. To start over again would be a waste of good legislative effort.

[Adam Griffin]

And if you look at the voter rolls in the Pacific now, it surely isn't bound to happen these days. Even with a crowdsourced-aggregate map and detailed plan that we spent months on, people couldn't get on board. But anyone who's wanting to continue carrying the torch of consolidation need only finish ratifying FTRA in (2?) of the 3 regions that have yet to ratify it to begin the next phase (consent; Senate). If a majority of a regional legislature is willing to support that, then they can use the 17th Amendment to make it happen (at least that one part of the consolidation)

Which regions haven't passed it? Is there a link to the text of this FTRA because it doesn't look like there's a spot on the Wiki for unsuccessful/yet-to-be-successful amendments to the third constitution

Pacific and Midwest passed it. The amendment votes were at the beginning of the year and had terrible turnout (which is why it got like 38% nationwide despite having majority support in several polls). .

[Adam Griffin]

Are you guys really still working on this? lol

Not having a Western-based region is silly. The Midwest/Mideast is obviously the least natural split.

Idk nobody has talked about this in ages but I like the idea.

I agree not having a western region is silly but having a western region featuring Generalissimo Simfan as the entirety of the regional government is arguably even sillier, and those appear to be our only two options right now

Governments and activity levels are always changing. The Midwest has gone through long periods of severe inactivity and one-man governments, too. Yet you propose a permanent solution to a problem that is always ebbing and flowing.

Your proposed Northwest region will have such a tiny population it would be guaranteed to be the least active region.

I understand that I don't follow Atlasia as closely as I used to. While I could see certain anti-Pacific biases are playing a role here, what I see first and foremost is an attempt to gerrymander the South into a left-wing region. Will Atlasia's conservatives really allow that? I doubt it.

Actually, recent developments have left the Pacific as a potential right-wing region. Check out the rolls.

[Adam Griffin]

Are you guys really still working on this? lol

Not having a Western-based region is silly. The Midwest/Mideast is obviously the least natural split.

Idk nobody has talked about this in ages but I like the idea.

I agree not having a western region is silly but having a western region featuring Generalissimo Simfan as the entirety of the regional government is arguably even sillier, and those appear to be our only two options right now

Governments and activity levels are always changing. The Midwest has gone through long periods of severe inactivity and one-man governments, too. Yet you propose a permanent solution to a problem that is always ebbing and flowing.

Your proposed Northwest region will have such a tiny population it would be guaranteed to be the least active region.

I understand that I don't follow Atlasia as closely as I used to. While I could see certain anti-Pacific biases are playing a role here, what I see first and foremost is an attempt to gerrymander the South into a left-wing region. Will Atlasia's conservatives really allow that? I doubt it.

Actually, recent developments have left the Pacific as a potential right-wing region. Check out the rolls.

Was I not supposed to expose your latest scheme in public? Sorry - I was just speculating, although I'm not surprised I'm correct.

Assuming you mean the registration shifts: that's not unknown. If you mean the regional map thing: believe it or not, I'm not involved at all with this latest idea. I proposed CARCA and if I was going to revive the idea it'd be the same idea.