Re: Office of PSOL—Beginning of the Institute of Atlasian Progression

[Adam Griffin]

WM is betraying the South by not resigning and calling for a soecial election.

No that is what he would be doing by resigning absent a compelling impediment to performing his duties.

He is betraying Pericles and MB, and that is what it comes down to these days. This is no longer Atlasia, this is the Godfather and we all no what happens if you betray the Don. This standard never existed before. Never. It wasn't applied from Winston Disraeli to Adam/Canis. But because Vern decided to go one route, everyone else is a horrible person for taking a different interpretation of their duty and their oath relative to their party?

To be honest windjammer, we have gone too far down the road of your's, Adams and since 2018 Leinad's vision of partisanship uber alles. Yes too much centrism has harmed this game, but at the same time lopsided partisanship has as well. The progenitor of this thread has openly called for the right's elimination from the game on discord, how is that not the same as one big centrist party dominating everything? But then again, you guys never have been good at seeing anyone else's perspective.

Translation: "we really suck at this game unless we're poaching left-wingers"

[Adam Griffin]

Also, I think you know you're being quite disingenuous with examples such as Canis and I. We switched parties because the existing party we were in was dying, but both parties were still a representation of what the voters who elected us chose broadly speaking (and also representations of our own values).

Choosing to go from one party and ideological hemisphere to the other without any seismic shifts in the political landscape reeks of opportunism, irrationality and betrayal - and voters are going to be a lot louder about that than they would a intra-hemispheric shift in affiliation alone. That's just a reality. As the most recent example, Vern did ultimately stand down and face the public under his new banner, winning back his seat on "fair" terms.

[Adam Griffin]

First:

I am not consenting to either charge, however on "opportunism" and "irrationality":

Aren't the two mutually exclusive? If you are implying opportunism as a modus-operandi, then that at least throws irrationality out the window. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Plenty of people have done what they thought was right for their careers (i.e. opportunism), only to dramatically fail at understanding how this game and the two-party system generally works (i.e. irrationality). See Lakigigar for a more recent example of what happens when people think they can get a leg up while making terrible decisions politically. Ultimately and if the conservative movement has a chance to replace you with somebody who more accurately embodies their values, they will. This has always applied and always will.

Third (Betrayal):

When the voters of this region elected me, they knew I was pro-life and that I was staunchly pro-gun.

Do they also know that you're to the left of me as of a few months ago and thought I didn't go far enough on LGBT issues?

You have my support. Though I am a bit to the left of the ticket on economic issues my main concern is no mention of LGBT rights, especially trans rights, I think this can be easily remedied with an edit though.

Anyway, the rest isn't really worth a response. Classic "how dare the party/movement that got me elected expect me to be nominally loyal" and what have you that has always been present in any iteration of the game with strong and organized political movements. I've seen dozens of people make rash decisions because other people were nice to them and persuaded them to do so, only for those consequences to unveil themselves over time and for those individuals to justify their impulsive behavior after the fact with a series of conflicting statements (just last night, you were telling some that Peebs running was perceived as a "primary" against you, and that motivated you to do this). This doesn't strike me as any particularly unique circumstance in the grander scheme of Atlasia.

Enjoy the Federalist Party: I truly mean that, because it is your final home where any political clout can be extracted for yourself.

[Adam Griffin]

Also, the votes that Fhtagn gets from Feds, are Feds that are her personal vote. They were not "sent" to her. She had them before she left and she has "kept" them by and large as a personal non-ACP vote.

Yes, "the right" is just incompetent with respect to standing up to or asserting control over select individuals within its ranks. Literally half of the instances in which the right has lost the House post-reset has been because fhtagn hoards first preferences like a fatty hoards carbs in their belly. Truly shameful, disorganized and weak-willed behavior is largely to blame for your current congressional predicament. Everybody on the left has a good laugh in every election when she gets like 20 first preferences while every other candidate has like 4 or 5.

The ironic thing is, for a long time, TNF was a target for admiration even among some center-left types. Libertarians also liked him because like MB today, he was a devout social libertarian.

He was also pro-gun and VERY pro explosives:

By a vote of 6-3 this amendment has passed and is sent to the regions for ratification:

Aye: Bore, Polnut, JCL, Windjammer, Bacon King, Cranberry

Nay: Yankee, TNF, Deus

Are you really going to point out that vote: the one where jambles tricked JCL into voting for it when he really wanted to vote against it?

[Adam Griffin]

WM would not have won without Labor support.

Haven't you heard!?! Winning by 1 vote in an election ackschually gives you more of a mandate to do whatever than winning by multiple votes.

[Adam Griffin]

WM would not have won without Labor support.

Haven't you heard!?! Winning by 1 vote in an election ackschually gives you more of a mandate to do whatever than winning by multiple votes.

I thought the magic number was six

It's actually sixty-eight!

[Adam Griffin]

Based on the party's by-laws, there must be a new election for any officer(s) who have vacated (this includes PSOL, plus any others I'm not aware of):

"Rights and privileges of the party include: voting for party and representative officials for public office"

In fact, this explicitly states that once new officer(s) are elected, the party membership must then choose any replacement for Representative once the executive of the party is chosen.