S4: Athiests are our friends act (failed)

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Quite false. Genetics works and can make testable predictions regarding inheritance.

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First off, I want to amend this to make it a local option rather than an outright ban.

Secondly, I think it's more appropriate for college level rather than for secondary level.

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I haven't even proposed the amended bill.

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Bill 4 is hereby amended as following:

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Sure, and the people of Alabama and the people in Maryland should get to make those decisions.

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Nonsense. Neither are core parts of the curriculum at the secondary level.

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I just checked the constitution, there's no requirement that either be taught in southern schools.

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No such right exists. You might as well assert that one has a right to root beer slurpees at 7-11.

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If you're talking about Christ, I don't have an issue with a school district choosing to teach Christianity in their public schools.

Why do you have an issue with that, JTC?

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Cool beans. It's still not a core part of the secondary curriculum.

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Given that I am a teacher...

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That wasn't your assertion. Your assertion is that there was a right to learn evolution in secondary school. Last I checked, the constitution of the South does not say so.

I would even argue that you don't even have a right to an education.

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Imagine how I feel about evolution then?

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Uh, no it's not a core part of the secondary curriculum. Sorry.

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Good for you that you feel so. However we're still constrained by what the constitution says. If it's not in the constitution you don't have a right to it.

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Why should schools be required to charge money? I have worked for a private school for years that provides free tuition to students who are unable to pay. We have donors who are very happy to help us educate children.

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Does evolution make falsifiable predictions? If so, what predictions does it make?

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As a secondary school teacher, no it's not 'just my opinion'.

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The constitution specifies what is and isn't a right. There is no right to climate change education. Just as there isn't a right to root beer slurpees. Which is a travesty!

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Sure they do. Nothing stopping parishes across the country from doing what we do. It would help if we had vouchers, as we are saving the system quite a bit of money. Our per student costs are around 2k vs 10k for public schools. Plus we do better than they do.

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Your argument is that school should teach only scientific theories. I would actually argue that religion is a valid topic for any secondary school system, particularly history. We cannot understand history unless we also understand religion and the motivations of those in the past.

Two, if evolution isn't a scientific theory then it doesn't belong in a biology class.

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Given that I teach at these levels in the South, yes, my opinion on this matter is correct. It's not a core part of the biology 12 curriculum, at least in Texas.

Perhaps that's different in Virginia, but I see no evidence of such.

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Aww, thank you.

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Why would it be a bad thing, when the system could educate 4x as many students for the same price and improve the average test scores?

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Great question.

Because neither is a proven scientific theory.

Climate change proponents like Gore made erroneous predictions of the future indicating that whatever you may believe about the theory, the theory is flat out wrong.

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I'd be happy to but this is not the thread for it.

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Not only am I required to pay taxes for a school system that I can't teach at, the families with students that I teach have to pay taxes for that same school system, and pay for private education out of their own pocket.

Vouchers rectify that unfairness.

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97 percent of physicists once believed in the Aether.

Consensus is not the same as truth.

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In the 19th century that was the consensus is that light needed a medium to travel through. Classical physics required it at the time.

That's the thing about science, science always marches on. Just because a theory is the consensus doesn't mean that it will remain that way.

There are serious flaws with the current theories, as they make predictions that the warming trend would continue. It has not. We've not had global warming for 20 years now.

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Taking it from the last 18 years rather than the 'little ice age', shows no increase whatsoever.

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The fact that the medieval warm period and the 'little ice age' existed and were well known to anyone who's studied either period?

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If you go back 500 years that's not true. Further back shows clearly that the late 18th, 19th century, early 20th was the little ice age.

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You've all convinced me, and since Atheists are our friends....

NAY!

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Sad!

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Clearly the delegates are low energy.