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« on: March 18, 2015, 08:51:38 PM »
A quick look through this bill, and it's already way too far out of left field for me to support in anything resembling its current forms. Politicizing the police even more and making them subject to the whims of an elected body for many everyday doesn't strike me as a good idea at all.

There are some things in here I would definitely support, such as the ban on people with any involvement in bigoted groups serving in the force, but we'll need to cut down a LOT and perhaps add on some more acceptable provisions if we wish to do anything about the current situation in our country. Perhaps we can ensure that there is a special prosecutor to handle charges against the police independent of the force itself in all jurisdictions?
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« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2015, 09:00:58 PM »
AYE
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« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2015, 01:12:40 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2015, 04:15:38 PM »
NAY

I share most of the concerns Lief brought up. This bill has a lot of sections I definitely could not vote for, but this amendment removes some of the positive things in it.
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« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2015, 09:06:08 PM »
AYE

But I definitely think we may need to reincorporate some of the removed sections, such as the language on entrapment.
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« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2015, 04:01:11 PM »
I concur with the President on this; sting operations in and of themselves aren't a bad thing at all, but we need to set reasonable standards so that entrapment for the sake of entrapment doesn't occur.
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« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2015, 09:43:33 AM »
Is there a clean copy of the bill as it stands now? I'd like to put forth an amendment (although I do support the changes put in by Griffin)
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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2015, 09:47:17 PM »
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« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2015, 05:51:24 PM »
« Edited: March 30, 2015, 06:20:37 PM by Talleyrand »
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I propose this amendment.
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« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2015, 08:37:22 PM »
AYE

Lief, I think we need to put back in an oversight mechanism, but I don't think elected police councils per 25,000 residents is a great idea.
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« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2015, 10:07:22 AM »
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« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2015, 08:23:03 PM »
Is there a provision in the constitution that prevents us from enacting this?
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« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2015, 07:48:25 PM »
Doesn't the federal government designate hate groups or something like that? Couldn't we just clarify the bill to mention that instead?
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« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2015, 05:42:40 PM »
Quote from: Lief 🐋 on April 08, 2015, 01:16:53 PM
The Senate should concern itself with passing the best legislation it can. If someone wants to challenge it after it becomes law, I have full confidence in our justice department to defend it.

I agree with Lief here; I haven't yet heard anything but a vague statement as to why exactly the provisions of the bill as it stands right now would be unconstitutional. If someone can give a coherent, specific argument on why this is out of bounds of the Senate's jurisdiction and proposes a viable alternative course of action, I would be up for that, but for now, I don't see why we can't keep this provision.
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« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2015, 09:33:47 PM »
Glad to see you added a section about entrapment into the original amendment. I'll vote for it.
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« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2015, 08:54:35 AM »
To my fellow Senators opposed to the newest amendment, I encourage you to propose another amendment after this one. Even if it isn't perfect, it provides a very strong foundation for us to build on.
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« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2015, 02:51:17 PM »

Of course; I'd look forward to seeing it.

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« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2015, 04:41:00 PM »
Aye.

I want to work with Senator Lief and TNF to elaborate on the oversight councils in this bill, however.
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« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2015, 08:44:38 PM »
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« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2015, 08:09:10 PM »
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« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2015, 05:46:21 PM »
I would like it we put punitive measures if the regions failed to meet certain standards, such as a heavy fine.

For now, Reluctant AYE, but I think this still needs work...
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« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2015, 08:12:17 AM »
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« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2015, 09:43:09 AM »
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« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2015, 04:09:29 PM »
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