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ingemann
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« on: November 22, 2015, 01:35:14 PM »

Time.

It'll be at least another twenty years before the ANC is in serious danger of losing a national election and until then the corruption that has become South Africa's biggest problem can be fixed, or at least replaced by smart corruption that does more than simply line pockets but actually gets things done as a quid pro quo for staying in power.

Well, true, but what solutions could be done for SA to succeed in the present? What laws/acts could be passed?

Honestly there's not a lot you can do in the short term, except keeping South Africa a liberal democracy and avoiding ANC getting enough seat to change the constitution or changing the provincial border (ANC have talked about reunite the Cape Province and abolish Gauteng to weaken DA).

But when we look at numbers for South Africa, they're good news.

Birth rate per woman: 2,4
Annual population growth: 1,34%
GDP growth: 2,6%

This is very good news, the low population growth by African standards, mean that the economical growth isn't eaten up by a growing population, but there's also a large young population, who can be used in a growing economy. While I don't think that South Africa belong in the BRICS, the country do have a large potentia, and as long as they stay a liberal democracy with respect for the rule of law, I think they will live up to that potetial.
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« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2015, 04:01:34 PM »

Of the BRICS, South Africa has far more potential than Russia IMO which is just a disaster.

I disagree, while Russia is in many way just as dysfunctional as South Africa, it's both a more significant player, a more developed economy and have a greater potential than South Africa. Yes they suffer under a political system which is a disaster and delusions of grandeur. But Russia have vast amount of resources, vast agricultural land and a well educated population. The reason Russia shouldn't be part of BRICS is mostly because it is a developed country, a poor one but a developed one, what they really lack is a better political system, less corruption and a population wanting to buy their own produce, and because of the sanctions we may see that happens, as Russia have begun to produce their own basic products to their consumers, which mean we may see the development of more small business, which may create a middle class not connected to the regime or oligarchs. 
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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2015, 05:41:09 PM »

Some kind of redistribution is entirely necessary, although the haphazard way Mugabe carried it out poses a warning on how it can be done wrong.

Of the BRICS, South Africa has far more potential than Russia IMO which is just a disaster.

I disagree, while Russia is in many way just as dysfunctional as South Africa, it's both a more significant player, a more developed economy and have a greater potential than South Africa. Yes they suffer under a political system which is a disaster and delusions of grandeur. But Russia have vast amount of resources, vast agricultural land and a well educated population. The reason Russia shouldn't be part of BRICS is mostly because it is a developed country, a poor one but a developed one, what they really lack is a better political system, less corruption and a population wanting to buy their own produce, and because of the sanctions we may see that happens, as Russia have begun to produce their own basic products to their consumers, which mean we may see the development of more small business, which may create a middle class not connected to the regime or oligarchs. 

It seems to me that Russia largely coasts off its old status as a superpower, but is far more vulnerable. The economy is still relatively undiversified from fossils and arms and the population is in a capricious decline.

We overestimated the vulnerable of the Russian economy, and it's far more diverse than we give its credit for, through not really competitive with western industries. As for the population, it's slowly rising to replacements levels and at the same time, the population stay stable or even grows thanks to the return of Russians from the former USSR (the Baltics are ironic enough the great exception, the Russians there prefer to migrate west). So Russia will stay a developed country with vast riches of raw materials and a well educated population on the other side of 100 millions.

South Africa on the other hand suffer from the fact that their income mostly come from a small minority, who will fall as percent of the population. So unless they increase the productivity of the Black and Coloured part of population, they will see increased trouble down the road, especially because the relative higher income of even poor South Africans make South Africa a bad choice for setting up labour heavy but unskilled industries.
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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2015, 03:41:50 PM »

Nothing. The system of South Africa is inherently doomed unless you further divide it between the various ethnic groups living there.

Sorry the suggestion is terrible, first of all ethnic groups in South African context are clearly very unclear.

We can go with the four racial group, which means a Coloured-White state in the west and a Black state in the east, both with large minorities of the other groups.

Next we can go with linguistic borders, which would be a nightmare.

The problem are that the different groups have a mish mash of overlapping identities and splitting a country over ethnic iodentity demand clear cut national-ethnic identities and much clear borders between the different groups. South Africa makes the ethnic borders on the Balkans look simple.
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