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Filuwaúrdjan
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« on: August 04, 2004, 08:57:50 AM »

I've been hearing stuff like this for a while... doubt that the LibDem base (about 6% of the electorate) will complain tho'... they manage the unusual feat of being zealously partisan while not really believing in anything.
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« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2004, 04:43:11 PM »

How would this breakdown of the PV equal out in terms of seats (2001 totals in brackets)?

Labour 37% (40.7%)
Conservative 29% (31.7%)
Liberal Democrats 22% (18.3%)
UKIP 2% (n/a)
Others 9.7% (9.3%)

And would be the effect of such a result?  


I may be wrong but...

Con gain from Lab:

Dorset South      
Braintree
Monmouth
Lancaster and Wyre        

LibDem gain from Lab:

Cardiff Central          
Oldham East and Saddleworth    

LibDem gain from Con:

Taunton
Orpington
Surrey South-West        
Dorset West              
Haltemprice and Howden  
Isle of Wight            
Eastbourne
Wells
Westmorland and the Lonsdale                            
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2004, 04:55:20 PM »

How would this breakdown of the PV equal out in terms of seats (2001 totals in brackets)?

Labour 37% (40.7%)
Conservative 29% (31.7%)
Liberal Democrats 22% (18.3%)
UKIP 2% (n/a)
Others 9.7% (9.3%)

And would be the effect of such a result?  


I may be wrong but...

Con gain from Lab:

Dorset South      
Braintree
Monmouth
Lancaster and Wyre        

LibDem gain from Lab:

Cardiff Central          
Oldham East and Saddleworth    

LibDem gain from Con:

Taunton
Orpington
Surrey South-West        
Dorset West              
Haltemprice and Howden  
Isle of Wight            
Eastbourne
Wells
Westmorland and the Lonsdale                            

How would it panout nationwide though... what sort of majority would it grant Labour? surley there would be more movment than those seats you mention?

Aha... that's with uniform swing... however swings are never uniform. There are a lot of seats where the LibDems are a fringe party and they won't be getting many/any new voters in those... if they *did* increase to 22% most of the gains would be in areas they are already strong (the South West, the Marches, London-Suburbia and so on).
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2004, 06:44:22 AM »

Haltemprice & Howden is not going LD. Trust me.


It would on a uniform swing... but as I've said swings are rarely uniform... I don't think that the LibDems will win back Oldham East and Saddleworth... because the brief LibDem control of Oldham council destroyed the LibDem name in Oldham (they REALLY ed up... worse than Sheffield if that's possible...)
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« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2004, 10:42:04 AM »

Letwin is one of the few Tories that I like! I think he'll be fine actually. The dodgy seats for the Tories are all the seats were Labour still polls a strong third. That gives scope for further increase in the LD vote due to Labour squeeze. Places like Taunton and Bridgwater are possible LD gains. Similarly I think tactical voting will start working against Labour this election in some seats, as it did in Chesterfield in 2001. Watch Cambridge!! LD gain!!

I know Dorset West very well, and Letwin is in big trouble (again)... he's seen as cold and aloof... if the LibDems pick someone who's very well known locally they'd pick up the seat easy enough.

What happend in Chesterfield was just bizarre... nowadays it's a mostly middle class (but of the progressive yuppy sort) commuter seat and Tony Benn was a *very* bad fit for the seat. So when he retired logic suggested that some fresh faced Blairite would become the Labour candidate and win with ease. However, Benn had purged the Chesterfield CLP of his "enemies" and they selected some old loony leftist dinosaur from the '80's. Who was also from London...
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« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2004, 10:59:50 AM »

He he he!
Yes, I remember! Reg Race! Smiley
Must have been the worst candidate in the entire country. He's speech was disgusting too. Something along the lines of, the electorate are all thick and stupid and all deserve to die! Smiley
I've never seen such sour grapes in my entire life!

Worst. Candidate. Ever.
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2004, 11:12:36 AM »

Typical bald old militant trade unionist. People like him give Labour a bad name!

Come to think of it the Tory candidate in Ludlow was dire as well... a carpet bagging near fascist with a double barreled name who managed to lose a seat that the Tories had held (albeit by small majorities) since the 1900's at least...
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« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2004, 04:32:21 PM »

Ed Davey is an ignorant prick (example: he seems unaware that the Labour Party did not exist before 1900)... I really, really hate the guy... depressing to think that he's technically got the safest LibDem seat in the U.K isn't it?
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« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2004, 02:49:22 AM »

Ed Davey is an ignorant prick (example: he seems unaware that the Labour Party did not exist before 1900)... I really, really hate the guy... depressing to think that he's technically got the safest LibDem seat in the U.K isn't it?

He also heckled Liam Byrn in Brum HH along with respect supporters crying "David Kelly, David Kelly"... burke!

Doesn't suprise me...
What think you of Smith resigning?
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