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Filuwaúrdjan
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« on: August 06, 2004, 04:54:24 AM »

No. The Clairity Act stops that from happening (in the most recent referendum the question was very, very long and very, very confusing. If there was a new referendum it would be "yes or no")
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2004, 01:49:10 PM »


Never undestimate the sheer stupidity of people Smiley

Although in fairness to the few mentally deficient voters who accidentally voted "Yes", the question was very confusing (I've got a copy somewhere. I'll see if I can find it)
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2004, 07:46:28 AM »

Breaking away from Canada would be stupid. It wouldn't survive economically, politically or militarily.

I did an essay a while ago on why it would be stupid for Quebec to become independent, why it can't happen, and why some Quebecers want independence.
See if I can find it.
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2004, 09:26:40 AM »

Militarily?  Who would invade La République Québecoise?
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Perhaps he means diplomatically: Quebec's language laws would return to how they were before the Canadian Supreme Court said that banning all languages except for French in public places wasn't legal. The result would make Quebec a pariah state

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Quebec's economy is a mess basically. It is propped up by Government subsidies (of which it gets a lot more than it's fair share, something that pisses of people in the Maritimes) most federal contracts are done by Quebec etc. etc. etc.
No subsidies=economic disaster
Another problem is that the the Shipping industry (including PMPM's company) in Montreal would get the hell out as soon as possible: it's run by Anglo's and Federalist Franco's (about 25% of Quebecers would leave Quebec if it became independent...) Montreal could become redundent as a port very quickly.
And then there's Aluminum. Because of Hydro-Quebec (and that's another problem: who's going to buy electric from a Pariah state?) Quebec has a huge Aluminum smelting industry (along with by-products like wire, trains... etc) much of which is based in the PQ stronghold, the Saugeney Valley.
Quebec doesn't have any Bauxite (it's imported from Jamaica and Guyana, both are Commonwealth Countries, BTW) and much of the industry might be re-located to Labrador or Northern Ontario... devastating the economy of the most staunchly seperatist part of Quebec.
There is no case for independence based on economics (most Quebecers know this) it's based on the emotional pull of dodgy history and a "superiority complex"

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Dunno about that: a lot of Canada would do well out of Quebec leaving (the Maritimes, Northern Ontario and the Praries) as they'd get more federal subsidies, support and stuff.
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2004, 04:59:01 PM »

Canada would be the real loser if Quebec were to succeed, because I fail to see how Canada would be able to stay united once Quebec left.

Dunno about that: a lot of Canada would do well out of Quebec leaving (the Maritimes, Northern Ontario and the Praries) as they'd get more federal subsidies, support and stuff.

Except that if there is no longer a united Canada stretching unbroken from the Atlantic to the Pacific why the heck would the prairies remain part of Canada? Once the prairies go, I can't see Ontatio being so enamoured with the idea of Canada as to send money to the Maritimes.  There probably would still be a Canada, but it would consist of only the Maritimes, the Territories and maybe British Columbia.

Well Alberta might leave (by Praries I mean Sask. and Manitoba, both also take large subsidies)... but I don't see any other province leaving as it's not in the interest of most to do so.
The only province viable outside Confederation is (IMO) Ontario.
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