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Filuwaúrdjan
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« on: May 07, 2008, 08:56:45 AM »

Ah, but then why did the Depression hit Germany as hard as it did [question mark]. You can't isolate events from each other.
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2008, 09:19:46 AM »

Here's a discussion thread to discuss the two World Wars. Just a question for advocates of U.S. intervention in these wars:
1. Using the just-war theory, what justification did America have to get involved in WWI (and don't say "Lusitania". That was a British ship that had prior warning about a German attack.)

That depends what you mean by "just war theory". You could, for example, certainly argue that the expansionist tendencies of the Kaiserreich meant that it had to be prevented from winning (and you could here bring up the reason for their being a war on the western front at all).

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The Versailles treaty was not that one sided (certainly not as far as territorial losses were concerned), the area where it was really awful was the reparations scam. But the U.S was, in general, something of a moderating influence at the Peace Conference. Tragically it was also a rather incompetent one.
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The war was already over by then (and Germany had quite clearly lost). It's unlikely that the NSDAP could have taken power were it not for the damage done by the reparations scam (which actually links into the Depression; the German economy was in effect propped up by the U.S economy during the '20's. More detail (and accuracy!) can be provided if needed), but it even considering that it was hardly inevitable. You can't go Versailles --> Hitler anymore than you can Depression --> Hitler, Luther --> Hitler, Wagner --> Hitler, Napoleon --> Hitler,  or any of the other silly little theories that, astonishingly, are still getting peddled to this day (thinking of the Goldhagen nonsense here).
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You mind not know this, but there was trouble in the Balkans before the first world war. You might even say that it's black hand triggered it off. Ahem.

(and what "national" boundaries aren't artificial. Of course many colonial ones are especially bad but...)

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They should have opened up their immigration policy to all people fleeing from the Hitler State.

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lol@you for thinking that a valid question.

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Because nothing should be done about genocide if it's happening overseas!!!!!!11

Idiot

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Idiot

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I don't think that they were exactly targeted (in the sense that we have, shamefully, become used to today) in the first war. But, yes, it does matter in one sense (one of these days I *will* destroy the statue of Bomber Harris; the man was a war criminal and nothing more and it is shameful that we have a statue to him). Still. Where are you going with this? Trying to imply that the bombings and the crimes of the Nazis were as evil as each other? Don't be stupid.

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A conditional surrender was politically unacceptable and might not have been that realistic anyway. I don't think the bombings can be justified as such, but it is possible to argue that they were the least-worst option, Hiroshima more than Nagasaki.
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2008, 10:03:07 AM »

Again, I suppose you think that Japan attacked a world power that was sure to provoke war against them for no reason whatsoever? That's incredibly foolish.

No it was lol at the suggestion that having sanctions imposed on you counts as legitimate provocation for war!

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Um...

No.

See when I write in italics and have lots of 111111 after !!!!! it means that I am taking the piss. Frankly your position here is beneath contempt.

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Other than to, you know, help to overthrow an astonishingly agressive, evil and bloodthirsty regime. A minor detail for you, I'm sure.

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Fair enough

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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2008, 05:05:22 AM »

Many, many more than ten million were killed in the War.
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2008, 05:57:40 AM »

When it comes to Europe, I'm strongly nationalistic with some regions needing to be independent multi-national UN overseen independent nations such as Northern Ireland.

Proof, if it were ever needed, that it's impossible to be a pan-nationalist. The majority community in Northern Ireland was in 1919 larger (as a %) than the majority communities in many of the new states in the East (which often had no majority).
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