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Mister Mets
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« on: April 12, 2014, 08:51:30 PM »

Most running mates have major weaknesses.

George HW Bush lost his two bids for statewide office, and been responsible for some of the most effective attacks on Reagan in the 1980s primary.
Geraldine Ferraro was a third-term congresswoman, and kinda obvious token pick.
Dan Quayle had a reputation as an intellectual lightweight, and did his best to live up to it.
Al Gore came from the same geographic region as Bill Clinton (and at this point, it's pretty much known that he's a womanizer too.)
Jack Kemp had major and public policy disagreements with Bob Dole.
Dick Cheney had been out of office for eight years, and had served in the administration of George W Bush's father, a guy who couldn't break 40% running for reelection as President.
Joe Lieberman seemed to go out of his way to antagonize the base and young voters.
John Edwards had a reputation for shamelessness than turned out to be well-deserved.
Sarah Palin was a first term Governor of a small isolated state. And it kinda looked like tokenism.
Joe Biden failed to gain traction in the 2008 primary, and was probably best known for his 1980s plagiarism scandal.
Paul Ryan had never won statewide office, and was best known for proposing controversial legislation.
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« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2014, 10:05:12 PM »

Rodgers wouldn't be picked to help win her state she would be picked because she's a women something the GOP ticket desperately needs against someone like Clinton. She's a conventional safe choice she's not Bachmann type crazy she's a Establishment mainstream pub who's acceptable nationwide.
Kelly Ayotte is too and she's at least a senator who could help in New Hampshire. As for women, they've also got Susana Martinez, Condi Rice, Nikki Haley, Kristi Noem (not qualified but no less so than CMR), Deb Fischer, and others, all of whom are at least as good of choices as McMorris Rodgers.
Ayotte's up for reelection in the Senate. The party may not want to risk it.

Susanna Martinez has left the impression she's not interested in national office. Otherwise, she would be top choice for Veep.

I think Condoleeza Rice is possible, but she's pro-choice. That's a much bigger deal than Portman's support for gay marriage.

Nikki Haley was elected Governor by four points in a very conservative state in a very good year for the party. That's not an indication of a tremendous political talent.

Noem has less political experience than Rodgers (three terms in the House in 2016 VS six for Rodgers, Four years as state legislator VS eleven for Rodgers, Rodgers is in the congressional leadership.)

Fischer will only have four years of experience in Congress versus twelve for Rodgers. She's also in her sixties.

There is always the possibility that the nominee gets along with one person better than another. Someone who looks good on paper might not be the best campaigner, or might not be the best fit for a presidential administration.
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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2014, 09:34:36 PM »

Rodgers wouldn't be picked to help win her state she would be picked because she's a women something the GOP ticket desperately needs against someone like Clinton. She's a conventional safe choice she's not Bachmann type crazy she's a Establishment mainstream pub who's acceptable nationwide.
Kelly Ayotte is too and she's at least a senator who could help in New Hampshire. As for women, they've also got Susana Martinez, Condi Rice, Nikki Haley, Kristi Noem (not qualified but no less so than CMR), Deb Fischer, and others, all of whom are at least as good of choices as McMorris Rodgers.

Can we stop talking about Condoleezza Rice as well? Today's Republican party is not going to nominate a unmarried, pro-choice, African-American woman with no elective experience for Vice-President (or President). Regardless of her other merits or flaws, it is not going to happen.
Several of the things you mention are negatives for Rice, but a few are not.

That she's pro-choice and not married would be an issue. I don't think the party leaders mind that she's an African American woman. It would help the white guy on top of the ticket.

As for elective experience it is worth noting that four of the last six Republican vice-presidential nominees hadn't been elected to statewide office (George HW Bush, Jack Kemp, Dick Cheney and Paul Ryan.) Rice has the advantage of a higher profile than most Senators and Governors, and had a decent enough approval rating even during the lows of the Bush administration.
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