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Ray Goldfield
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« on: March 02, 2015, 08:52:38 PM »

Of course. Unlike the President, I support keeping Iran from getting a nuclear weapon. If Obama has in fact abandoned that effort, as his plan for no rollback and a ten-year limit before they can advance to a bomb indicates, then it's time for the rest of the US government and our allies to take charge and push back this lame duck.
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Ray Goldfield
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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2015, 09:02:47 PM »

No. I'd point out that Netanyahu is not Israel, and that he tends to try to influence elections here. If what he's doing is encouraged, then Obama or any Congressional leader could meet with the Israeli opposition if we felt like it.

They already have.

Clinton actively helped to topple Netanyahu's previous administration in the 90s.
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Ray Goldfield
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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2015, 11:25:02 PM »

Yes (R ), and I would aggressively lobby my colleagues to do the same using whatever influence I might have.

Hopefully you wouldn't be a member of Congress, since you repeatedly demonstrate in your postings on here that you are a foreigner who places your allegiance to Israel above your allegiance to America.

Please stop. This idea that Jews are foreigners who care more about Israel than their own nation is very common anti-Semitic rhetoric.

Anyway, No (D)

I think it's rather antisemitic to assume there aren't any American Jews who feel just that way. There are many American Jews who value Israel above America certainly not the majority, but many. And there are also millions upon millions of Evangelical Christians who value Israel more than they value America America. Pointing this out and criticizing it is not antisemitic, it's pro-American.

How in the hell could that be anti-semitic?

It doesn't matter whether American Jews support Israel or not. Calling an American Jew a "Foreigner" is not only anti-semitic, it is one of the oldest tropes in the anti-semitic playbook. Accuse the Jew of disloyalty as precedent for stripping them of their citizenship for real.

The mask slips more and more each day.
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Ray Goldfield
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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2015, 11:36:29 PM »

Yes (R ), and I would aggressively lobby my colleagues to do the same using whatever influence I might have.

Hopefully you wouldn't be a member of Congress, since you repeatedly demonstrate in your postings on here that you are a foreigner who places your allegiance to Israel above your allegiance to America.

Please stop. This idea that Jews are foreigners who care more about Israel than their own nation is very common anti-Semitic rhetoric.

Anyway, No (D)

I think it's rather antisemitic to assume there aren't any American Jews who feel just that way. There are many American Jews who value Israel above America certainly not the majority, but many. And there are also millions upon millions of Evangelical Christians who value Israel more than they value America America. Pointing this out and criticizing it is not antisemitic, it's pro-American.

How in the hell could that be anti-semitic?

It doesn't matter whether American Jews support Israel or not. Calling an American Jew a "Foreigner" is not only anti-semitic, it is one of the oldest tropes in the anti-semitic playbook. Accuse the Jew of disloyalty as precedent for stripping them of their citizenship for real.

The mask slips more and more each day.

So you believe every single American Jew puts America before Israel?

This is really weird and I have no idea how you could possibly be misconstruing the conversation this much.

1. America and Israel's interests do not differ in this situation. The President - a lame duck who was repudiated by the voters in the last midterm election - has different interests from Israel. This is the equivalent of claiming that anyone opposed to the Iraq war in 2007 was un-American.

2. Claiming that American Jews - whether they value Israel's security highly or not - are foreigners is ALWAYS anti-semitic.
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Ray Goldfield
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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2015, 11:52:01 PM »

Yes (R ), and I would aggressively lobby my colleagues to do the same using whatever influence I might have.

Hopefully you wouldn't be a member of Congress, since you repeatedly demonstrate in your postings on here that you are a foreigner who places your allegiance to Israel above your allegiance to America.

Please stop. This idea that Jews are foreigners who care more about Israel than their own nation is very common anti-Semitic rhetoric.

Anyway, No (D)

I think it's rather antisemitic to assume there aren't any American Jews who feel just that way. There are many American Jews who value Israel above America certainly not the majority, but many. And there are also millions upon millions of Evangelical Christians who value Israel more than they value America America. Pointing this out and criticizing it is not antisemitic, it's pro-American.

How in the hell could that be anti-semitic?

It doesn't matter whether American Jews support Israel or not. Calling an American Jew a "Foreigner" is not only anti-semitic, it is one of the oldest tropes in the anti-semitic playbook. Accuse the Jew of disloyalty as precedent for stripping them of their citizenship for real.

The mask slips more and more each day.

So you believe every single American Jew puts America before Israel?

This is really weird and I have no idea how you could possibly be misconstruing the conversation this much.

1. America and Israel's interests do not differ in this situation. The President - a lame duck who was repudiated by the voters in the last midterm election - has different interests from Israel. This is the equivalent of claiming that anyone opposed to the Iraq war in 2007 was un-American.

2. Claiming that American Jews - whether they value Israel's security highly or not - are foreigners is ALWAYS anti-semitic.

There are a American Jews with dual citizenship who serve in the IDF. They value Israel more than America, they've made it clear, they'll sometimes even freely admit it, and calling a spade a spade is not antisemitic. That word used to mean something. Now anytime certain Zionists are even slightly offended they scream that term and expect the world to flock to their aid and give them sympathy.

You also still didn't answer the question.

There was a question? I just saw a lot of scurrilous implications about American Jews based on a centuries-old trope implying that we're foreign agents in our own country.

As anti-semitism streaks to a high not seen in decades, we're sure as hell not going to be quiet as the old libels come into fashion. And again, because a lame-duck President's interests diverge from Israel's doesn't mean the US and Israel are on opposite ends. That will become clear when Obama's vetoes are overridden if need be.
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Ray Goldfield
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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2015, 11:59:38 PM »

Yes (R ), and I would aggressively lobby my colleagues to do the same using whatever influence I might have.

Hopefully you wouldn't be a member of Congress, since you repeatedly demonstrate in your postings on here that you are a foreigner who places your allegiance to Israel above your allegiance to America.

Please stop. This idea that Jews are foreigners who care more about Israel than their own nation is very common anti-Semitic rhetoric.

Anyway, No (D)

I think it's rather antisemitic to assume there aren't any American Jews who feel just that way. There are many American Jews who value Israel above America certainly not the majority, but many. And there are also millions upon millions of Evangelical Christians who value Israel more than they value America America. Pointing this out and criticizing it is not antisemitic, it's pro-American.

How in the hell could that be anti-semitic?

It doesn't matter whether American Jews support Israel or not. Calling an American Jew a "Foreigner" is not only anti-semitic, it is one of the oldest tropes in the anti-semitic playbook. Accuse the Jew of disloyalty as precedent for stripping them of their citizenship for real.

The mask slips more and more each day.

So you believe every single American Jew puts America before Israel?

This is really weird and I have no idea how you could possibly be misconstruing the conversation this much.

1. America and Israel's interests do not differ in this situation. The President - a lame duck who was repudiated by the voters in the last midterm election - has different interests from Israel. This is the equivalent of claiming that anyone opposed to the Iraq war in 2007 was un-American.

2. Claiming that American Jews - whether they value Israel's security highly or not - are foreigners is ALWAYS anti-semitic.

There are a American Jews with dual citizenship who serve in the IDF. They value Israel more than America, they've made it clear, they'll sometimes even freely admit it, and calling a spade a spade is not antisemitic. That word used to mean something. Now anytime certain Zionists are even slightly offended they scream that term and expect the world to flock to their aid and give them sympathy.

You also still didn't answer the question.

There was a question? I just saw a lot of scurrilous implications about American Jews based on a centuries-old trope implying that we're foreign agents in our own country.

As anti-semitism streaks to a high not seen in decades, we're sure as hell not going to be quiet as the old libels come into fashion. And again, because a lame-duck President's interests diverge from Israel's doesn't mean the US and Israel are on opposite ends. That will become clear when Obama's vetoes are overridden if need be.
If you think the democrats would cooperate on overriding Obama's veto on anything Iran related, I have a bridge to sell you...

If it came down to Obama basically giving Iran the store in exchange for a ten-year promise before they go ahead on a bomb, as rumored, Schumer and Menendez would be able to whip up 11 more votes.

They're not going to destroy the party to please a president with less than two years to go.
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Ray Goldfield
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« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2015, 07:23:46 PM »

No. If Loretta Lynch locks the traitor up, I can forgive her stances on liberties/drugs.

Good lord. You want a war?
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Ray Goldfield
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« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2015, 01:49:58 PM »

No. If Loretta Lynch locks the traitor up, I can forgive her stances on liberties/drugs.

Good lord. You want a war?

Haha Israel will fight the US? Lol bring it on!

If they kidnapped the Israeli prime minister while he was a guest on American soil? Absolutely.

Israel wouldn't win, but there might very well be no winner. Anywhere.

That's why Obama would never do this. Because he's not insane.
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Ray Goldfield
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2015, 01:58:31 PM »

No. If Loretta Lynch locks the traitor up, I can forgive her stances on liberties/drugs.

Good lord. You want a war?

Haha Israel will fight the US? Lol bring it on!

If they kidnapped the Israeli prime minister while he was a guest on American soil? Absolutely.

Israel wouldn't win, but there might very well be no winner. Anywhere.

That's why Obama would never do this. Because he's not insane.

How is Netanyahu a traitor? He's the PM of Israel - he's supposed to have their best interests at heart, not America's. I personally don't think what he's doing is in Israel's best interest either, but I hope you're not one of those people who think Israel is our de facto 51st state like AIPAC does.

Apparently he MAY have been referring to Boehner - which is just as silly. The violation Boehner made was of protocol, not law. If the AG arrested the Speaker of the House over this, either she'd be fired or Obama would be impeached within the day.
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