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Question: Candidates:
#1
Newt Gingrich
 
#2
Mitt Romney
 
#3
Ron Paul
 
#4
Rick Perry
 
#5
Michele Bachmann
 
#6
Rick Santorum
 
#7
Jon Huntsman
 
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Total Voters: 68

Author Topic: Who won the debate?  (Read 6683 times)
qochimodo
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« on: December 15, 2011, 11:45:47 PM »
« edited: December 15, 2011, 11:48:41 PM by qochimodo »

Clearly Romney. Anybody who thinks Gingrich won is engaging in wishful thinking. Sorry Obama supporters, but Gingrich is not going to be Obama's opponent.


Why would we want Gingrich to be Obama's opponent? He's a stronger candidate than Moneybag Mittens...

Who do you think you're kidding? Obama would not have to do any work other than air variants of this ad a million times:




Obama just has to air the Mitt Romney flip-flopping ad a million times and he wins. Maybe sprinkle in a few "Mitt Romney is a Wall Street-loving 1%er" ads with some choice "Corporations are people" and "Let Detroit go bankrupt" clips if you really want to twist the knife.

None of that stuff will work. Mitt is too good-looking, articulate, and his personal history, the fact his parents made him earn his own way (lived in $75/month apartments in college, had to work summer jobs as a security guard, etc.) and the fact Mitt spent at least one day a week working for charities before running for president, does not bode well for your narrative.

Politics heavily favors offense, especially scorched earth elections like the one were heading into. So the idea that Mittens is going to damage the 1% narrative by telling people he earned his own way is asinine, most voters come election day won't have heard any of the defenses your pushing and if they have Mittens is in even more trouble because that would  mean he used an abundance of resources to tell voters he had to do a summer job in college when he should have saved that time for more attacks.

Romney may well win, but if he does it will be because Obama couldn't overcome the economy not because Romney's campaign defensively handled the 1% narrative.
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qochimodo
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« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2011, 12:05:54 AM »
« Edited: December 16, 2011, 12:19:52 AM by qochimodo »

Clearly Romney. Anybody who thinks Gingrich won is engaging in wishful thinking. Sorry Obama supporters, but Gingrich is not going to be Obama's opponent.


Why would we want Gingrich to be Obama's opponent? He's a stronger candidate than Moneybag Mittens...

Who do you think you're kidding? Obama would not have to do any work other than air variants of this ad a million times:




Obama just has to air the Mitt Romney flip-flopping ad a million times and he wins. Maybe sprinkle in a few "Mitt Romney is a Wall Street-loving 1%er" ads with some choice "Corporations are people" and "Let Detroit go bankrupt" clips if you really want to twist the knife.

None of that stuff will work. Mitt is too good-looking, articulate, and his personal history, the fact his parents made him earn his own way (lived in $75/month apartments in college, had to work summer jobs as a security guard, etc.) and the fact Mitt spent at least one day a week working for charities before running for president, does not bode well for your narrative.

Politics heavily favors offense, especially scorched earth elections like the one were heading into. So the idea that Mittens is going to damage the 1% narrative by telling people he earned his own way is asinine, most voters come election day won't have heard any of the defenses your pushing and if they have Mitts in even more trouble because that means he used an abundance of resources to tell voters he had to do a summer job in college when he should have saved that time for more attacks.

Romney may well win, but if he does it will be because Obama couldn't overcome the economy not because Romney's campaign defensively handled the 1% narrative.

It's a defense will hear at the convention, and in the debates if Obama tries to pin the 1% narrative on him. There's a reason why Romney has held back from talking a lot about his personal life. It is being saved for the real deal. He's actually a great guy, as I am sure Barack Obama is too. This whole thing will come down to Obama's record one way or another. In other words, this will be a referendum that will be a one-term proposition for the president.



Isn't it Newt Gingrich who coined the term 80/20 // 20/80 issues?

Raising the Retirement age and keeping billionaires tax rate at 15% (before loopholes) is one of those 20% Agree / 80% Disagree issues that Romney is on the wrong side of so call it wishful thinking if you wish, but come the debates I think Romney's going to wish his problem was that people thought he's some rich kid who was handed everything in life and not that he wants to keep his sub-blue collar tax rate on the millions he makes annually while asking the the average Joe to retire later. Doesn't he want to end the estate tax for rich kids as well?

This election will be about policy and the rich kid angle is just an amplifier of the real meat, the 1% policy platform that the whole GOP is embracing.
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