Jorge Ramos: Trump has Damaged GOP For Generations with Hispanics

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The idea that the GOP can't recover with Latinos strikes me as wishful thinking on the part of Dems.  In my view, a lot of it depends on whether the party adjusts to become more inclusive on issues that are important to many of them, like immigration reform.  Kasich or Rubio could potentially do quite well with the Latino vote in 2020.

Which we already know they won't make these adjustments.

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 Kasich or Rubio could potentially do quite well with the Latino vote in 2020.

The problem is that they do not represent the republican base.

No, the Republican base does not have anything against Hispanics.  The effort by Democrats to turn hispanics into an us vs them thing in this country is really disgusting.  Hispanics are extremly assimilated.  I live among many Trump supporters and nobody says boo about Hispanics.  Its really become a disgusting smear in the last couple years, and one that is damaging for the country, all for political gain.

Give me a break.

Your party nominated Trump. We didn't have to do anything for you guys to piss off Latinos. The hole you are in is entirely from your own doing.

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Kasich or Rubio could potentially do quite well with the Latino vote in 2020.

The problem is that they do not represent the republican base.

  Hispanics are extremly assimilated.

I agree with this to a large extent, however Hispanic culture is inherently in favor of larger government. Stick your head in the sand all you want, despite all the rhetoric about Hispanics being "natural conservatives" this is still not compatible with Anglo conservatism, and I will admit the republican base is justified in their concern over what the demographic deluge will mean for the future of american politics, however they are the ones to blame for shooting themselves in the foot thinking this could be reversed.

Personally I never got all the fuss about Hispanics causing problems for Republicans in the long run, prior to Trump formally branding the GOP as anti-Hispanic/immigrant. Immigrants come here and start at the bottom, so of course they support Democrats, but gradually they will assimilate into middle class suburbia as their status grows and thus have the same interest as the GOP's middle class suburban base. There's no reason it had to be any different than the situation with Irish/Italian immigrants, until the Republicans decided to alienate them for the foreseeable future.

This isn't accurate.

People tend to vote same party for life.

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Kasich or Rubio could potentially do quite well with the Latino vote in 2020.

The problem is that they do not represent the republican base.

  Hispanics are extremly assimilated.

I agree with this to a large extent, however Hispanic culture is inherently in favor of larger government. Stick your head in the sand all you want, despite all the rhetoric about Hispanics being "natural conservatives" this is still not compatible with Anglo conservatism, and I will admit the republican base is justified in their concern over what the demographic deluge will mean for the future of american politics, however they are the ones to blame for shooting themselves in the foot thinking this could be reversed.

Personally I never got all the fuss about Hispanics causing problems for Republicans in the long run, prior to Trump formally branding the GOP as anti-Hispanic/immigrant. Immigrants come here and start at the bottom, so of course they support Democrats, but gradually they will assimilate into middle class suburbia as their status grows and thus have the same interest as the GOP's middle class suburban base. There's no reason it had to be any different than the situation with Irish/Italian immigrants, until the Republicans decided to alienate them for the foreseeable future.

This isn't accurate.

People tend to vote same party for life.

Some of it is inter-generational. Irish/Italian/Polish American Catholics don't really vote more D than other white people anymore, so there's clearly precedent.

Your forgetting that these group assimilated when black people moved to North in droves. This allowed Irish, Polish, and Italian to become just white. Racial discrimination was not directed at them anymore.

They were still Catholic, though. By the "demographic destiny" argument (curiously proposed by both the craziest of far-right Republicans and by a lot of Democrats), the Republicans should have been destroyed as a political force by the rise of Catholic immigrants long ago, yet they did just fine in the end.

Incidentally, if the Republicans fall apart in a big way, then the Democrats won't last much longer. The tensions between socialists and liberals, environmentalists and union members, working class white voters and immigrants, etc are only held at bay because of the threat of the Republicans. If the Republicans are crippled as a political force, some of those groups will either switch over to the Republicans (or whoever replaces them) or just create their own parties. There is no world in which Hillary-style Democrats hold onto power indefinitely.

Not really since the party doesn't have that many factions. It is split into two groups, moderates and liberals(the conservative wing is all but gone). What holds it together isn't the GOP, but pragmatism towards the progressive goals.