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traininthedistance
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« on: October 16, 2013, 01:40:39 PM »


Actually, once you go above twenty stories or so they do become disproportionately expensive.  But your garden variety six-story apartment building, naw, that's not expensive.

Anyway, it's really really silly to say that there's nothing in between Manhattan-style density and automobile-oriented suburbs.  I think that people should be able to build Manhattans if they want, but there is a whole range of options that are less dense than that but also sufficiently dense to support public transit and a vibrant urban streetscape.  The break-point for when people will switch away from cars is somewhere on the order of seven to ten dwellings an acre, which is a good deal less than Manhattan.  "Streetcar suburbs" are pretty great, and I suspect that the real action going forward ought to be adaptive reuse and infill in our suburbs (and more suburban parts of cities) to reach the sort of densities necessary to support transit, not the Manhattanization of current urban centers.  But it's going to take a while.  It took many decades of building for car culture to get us where we are now, fixing those problems ain't gonna happen overnight.

As for the OP, I do in fact live suggestions #2 and #3; no car, 1-BR for two people, no problem.  I understand that not everyone has the ability to go car-free, but almost everyone can cut back, and I do certainly hope (and have reason to believe this is not a hope in vain) that, going forward, more people will want to go car-free.  #1... not so much.  I will be saddled with mounds of expensive college debt until the day I die, oh well.
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« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2013, 06:56:55 PM »

I wouldn't live in any building over about 4-6 stories.  My god, what if the elevator goes out?  Nonsensical structures.

I wouldn't live in the suburbs.  My god, what if it turns out that gasoline is a non-renewable resource and it's running out?  Nonsensical building pattern.

Seriously, though, elevators are the most efficient and sensible mechanized form of transportation known to man- and if its a structure that really needs them, there will almost always be more than one.  But, even so, they're not necessary to reach "urban" levels of density; you can do just fine with rowhomes or even duplexes.

FWIW I live on the first floor of a six-floor building.  I wouldn't need to ever use the elevator, except that there's no other way to get to the garbage and laundry rooms in the basement... which is a little silly IMO but it wasn't a dealbreaker by any means.
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traininthedistance
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« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2013, 07:03:53 PM »

I wouldn't live in any building over about 4-6 stories.  My god, what if the elevator goes out?  Nonsensical structures.

I wouldn't live in the suburbs.  My god, what if it turns out that gasoline is a non-renewable resource and it's running out?  Nonsensical building pattern.

Sure.  I like the middling density - large towns/small cities with around 4-6 story buildings. Common here, and I think hardly 'suburban' in any way.  To me suburban means 1-2 stories.. only maybe very rarely 3.

Most of Manhattan, let alone NYC, doesn't break six stories.  What's "middling density" in Asia is super-urban here.
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