NY: Convicted Felon Donald Trump!

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“Senior officials” in DoJ? NYPD? I have to imagine this is about the Manhattan Stormy Daniels indictment.

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This is Manhattan DA, not the feds. The feds declined to prosecute for this because he was President and decided not to resurrect the case when he left office. Bragg is prosecuting this now because the statute of limitations runs out this year. He's still working on a larger case regarding things like tax fraud and bank fraud, stuff the AG filed the civil suit over. But we don't know if that will lead to any charges.

Didn’t some prosecutors resign from his office because he wasn’t moving forward with the fraud case? I wonder why he’s going forward with this but not that.

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I don't believe people realize what will happen if Trump gets arrested.  A lot of his supporters feel they have nothing to lose.  Plus, Trump himself is going to fuel the fire.  This is going to get very ugly....  

You could probably do a better job hiding the fact that you’re rooting for this to happen.

It doesn’t change the fact that this would be breaking with precedent to charge a president(current or former) over something like this . We correctly didn’t charge Clinton over Perjury and Trump shoudnt be charged over this .

There are only two instances a president should have been charged post ww2 :

Nixon - If the Sabotage of the Vietnam Peace talks came out

Trump - Jan 6th

Both instances were a president or presidential candidate flagrantly violating the national security of our nation for their own political interest

But I don’t think Nixon should have been charged over watergate, Clinton over Perjury or Bush over Iraq/Gitmo

Genuinely would like to know how you think Watergate isn't a violation of this standard.

Did watergate threaten the national security of our nation ?

His sabotage of the peace deal did because 1. Led to tens of thousands more of our troops dying

And Trump’s Jan 6th was an illegal attempt to overturn a free and fair election and led to the Capitol attack

Wasn’t Watergate an attempt (or rather a series of attempts) to interfere in a free and fair election? He didn’t have those guys break into the DNC for fun, did he?

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https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1638527927079034881

If this is true then this would be a massive own goal

>Fox News

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https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1638527927079034881

If this is true then this would be a massive own goal

>Fox News

Genetic Fallacy

Fox News has literally zero credibility. Get another source.

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34 counts is crazy. I don’t know what that would even mean.

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https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1641648144285855746

A) are people who bet money on elections somehow smarter than the rest of us?

B) insofar as this increases his percentage chances of becoming president, how much of that is just massively boosting him in the primary?

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Alvin Bragg needs weight watchers, that fat idiot didn't visit a buffet he didn't like

Like Mr. 270 pounds?

This thread is awful. My life is worse every time I click on it.

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Oh my God, can we stop with the weight stuff? Holy sh**t. It contributes less than nothing.

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Why don’t we move the posts about this to thread about the actual scandal? We already have a classified documents thread.

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I feel like Jack Smith really stepped in it by bringing the case in Florida and not Washington. Now Trump is going to get a jury of 12 MAGA cult members when his trial rolls around.

You do know that Biden beat Trump in Miami-Dade County?

And I’m sure the jurors will be people who are disconnected from the news to an almost offensive extent, like the Georgia forewoman.

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The territory covered by the United States District Court for the Southern District of Florida voted Biden 55.42% - Trump 43.80%.

Good to know. Hopefully only jurors who aren't hyper pattisans are picked.

Anyone who could be described as “hyper partisan” wouldn’t make it to the jury pool.

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https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1779194582149861620

The weird thing is that Michael Cohen literally has been prosecuted for LYING.

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Dr Phil Discusses Possible Outcomes

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6XAXPIPIto/

Thank you legal expert Dr. Phil.

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I will never truly forgive 46% of the electorate for voting for him a month after “when you’re a star they let you do it, grab them by the pussy”.

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I don’t think this is a difficult case to build reasonable doubt about - all you need is to convince the jury that there’s a chance that there may have been some other motive for the payments besides the election - but the defense team has not done an amazing job thus far.

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https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1793022968639221809

Contempt proceedings tonite queen?

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Tomorrow morning (Wednesday) Mechan will give the jury their instructions, I'm guessing at around 9:30...? That will take about an hour, and then they will begin deliberating.

A super quick verdict in a couple hours is probably unlikely due to the quantity of charges, the separate documents corroborating them, and the paperwork involved. Who knows, but probably a good bet there won't be a verdict until the afternoon at least, even if they all agree.

As far as I know they will deliberate every weekday. A verdict tomorrow or on Thursday is probably a really good sign for the prosecution. If it's going to be an acquittal across the board it would probably take a while to convince everybody of that.

If it's next week and there's still nothing, the chances of a hung jury, or even acquittal, starts rising.

Caveat that there are a myriad of cases in which the jury acquitted in a couple of hours or took weeks just to come back with a conviction.

It will be interesting to see if the jury send any questions to the judge (could be illuminating as to how they're leaning), or if at some point they tell the judge they're deadlocked (he'd probably tell them to keep deliberating for a bit).

34 charges, you would think they could get him on at least a couple.

Well, the charges are all different instances of the same overall scheme, so if there’s reasonable doubt about the existence of the scheme you can’t really convict him of any of them. The closest you could get to getting him on a few of the charges would be (as mentioned earlier) convicting him on the 8 counts that involve him personally signing checks to Michael Cohen.

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Trump team increasingly sees acquittal as unlikely, sees their only path through hung jury.

They seem to think 1 juror may be on their side. Hard to tell if it's just desperate spin at this point though

https://twitter.com/MarcACaputo/status/1795563214308082144

Having your ”face light up” at the sight of JD Vance is not something a normal person does. Also “reacting favorably” to seeing Rep. Anna Paulina Luna, a first term Congresswoman literally no one knows? IF this reporting is accurate, it’s going to be a hung jury.

Anna Paulina Luna is literally a former model. I could easily imagine a male juror "reacting favorably" to seeing her for non-political reasons.

Sure, but I wouldn’t say the same about Vance or Donalds. Hope this doesn’t screw things up because the case seems solid enough for the other 11.

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I feel bad for the jury. It's a no win situation for them regardless of the outcome.

If they convict, MAGA people are gonna seek to dox them, etc.

If they acquit, same but from the far left.

If it's a hung jury, that person will likely become a social pariah for the rest of their life.

I think its more likely that person will likely become a MAGA mascot like Kyle Rittenhouse.

Outside of the MAGAsphere, Rittenhouse is reviled and a social pariah, though.

I think people outside the magasphere and the resist-libsphere don’t really think about him tbh

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Trump team once again putting out a spin on the length of jury deliberations.

https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/1796161038158557358

I mean yeah, that’s more likely the longer it gets. But nowhere near two days.

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https://twitter.com/dcg1114/status/1796193040152879393

As someone who passed the New York bar exam, passing the New York bar exam doesn’t mean sh**t about my ability to understand jury instructions.

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Of course the allegation is not that it was a random clerical error but done deliberately and repeatedly to hide their attempts to affect the election through unlawful means.

You and I have a very different definition of what "affecting the election through unlawful means" is. Nothing criminal about trying to suppress embarrassing stories from coming out.

Paying tens of thousands to suppress embarrassing stories is an illegal in-kind campaign contribution, though.

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i think we should change the thread title

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“Senior officials” in DoJ? NYPD? I have to imagine this is about the Manhattan Stormy Daniels indictment.

Looks like I called it.