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Bogart
bogart414
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« on: September 29, 2004, 02:59:37 PM »

I guess I need some clarification, having never read the book. The way I read many of the Keys, is that they seem to refer to a specific incumbent candidate, not simply to the incumbent party. Keys 7, 9, 10 and 11 specifically.

Read this way, I come up with the following:

2000

1. T
2. T
3. F
4. F
5. T
6. T
7. F (no inc admin)
8. T
9. F (no inc admin)
10. F (")
11. F (")
12. F
13. F

9 False, 4 True...which elects Bush in 2000

2004

1. T
2. T
3. T
4. F
5. T
6. F
7. T
8. F
9. T
10. F
11. T
12. T
13. F
 5 False, 8 True...Bush wins.
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Bogart
bogart414
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« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2004, 02:29:58 PM »

Bogart, regarding your 2000:

4- there was a serious third party campaign?  Surely you don't mean Nader?
10- According to the second article I posted here, "the war in  Yugoslavia avert loss of the foriegn/military failure key".
13- comon, Bush is NOT "charismatic or a national hero".

The actual totals for what you gave is 8 false, 5 true (you counted wrong).  Changing the 3 I pointed out here, it ends up as 5 false, 8 true, which elects Gore.

The one I'm still not sure about it 2000 is #2.  The article in the second post argues that that is the one they need.  But if the Democrats did hold key 2 in 2000, leading to a conclusion that Gore should have won, it does not invalidate this theory, because Gore actually did win the popular vote.  So the Keys predicted the PV winner, not the EV winner.

Regarding 2004, I think Muon2 explained it pretty well, maybe he cna respond where you differ.

Sorry, I counted wrong.  Bush still wins.

As to the third party Key, yes, I mean Nader. Seems pretty clear that he stole enough votes from Gore to put Bush over the top in a couple of states. This would have been enough to elect Gore despite Florida.

I consider Bush holding the "charismatic" Key. While it is largely in the eye of the beholder, I think he scores well enough on this category to give him the Key. Consider he stood on the rubble of 9/11 with Guiliani and all that. One could easily argue that Kerry is not really a "hero" in the conventional sense, while some would point to his being wounded in Vietnam to prove that he is. Even so, I gave this one to Kerry.

Finally, as I said, I perhaps don't understand this fully. I was just putting out a way for the Keys to have predicted 2000 sucessfully based upon one interpretation.
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