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« on: August 05, 2015, 12:02:43 PM »

Dick Cheney understands the world we live in, he has shown tremendous judgement in foreign policy and he is to be commended for sticking to his principles.

The public dislikes him. They like W personally, Cheney doesn't have that warm personality.

No, this is a guy who thought that Saddam Hussein organised and funded Al-Qaeda, and continued to spout this myth. He is the reason people thought Saddam=9/11.

Cheney was the absolute worse of the bush administration, considering he froze out moderate voices like Powell. Not only did he oppose the 2nd key resolution in the UN (which was needed for any legitimacy) but he also refused to actually try. Likewise calling to bomb Iran in 2007 is hardly good judgement is it?

You keep talking about alliances but the US was the most isolated during the Bush years. France hated him, Britain hated him (including the vast majority of the governing party), Germany hated him, the relative moderates in the middle east hated him for his refusal to try and sort out Israel

President Bush fostered stronger alliances with nations such as  England. There were folks in England who opposed the mission in Iraq, but Tony Blair's government was a partner in that effort and there was a strong alliance there.  

There was one person in the UK who liked Bush-Tony Blair. Half the labour party opposed the war in Iraq before Bush even had a chance to mess it up, the entire country was wishing that Kerry beat Bush in 2004. The man become so toxic over here, and that was before Katrina and all the other stuff.

He didn't strengthen the alliance with the UK at all-our Prime Minister Gordon Brown pretty much avoided Bush for 2 years, and then the moment that Obama came to office Brown raced over to Washington. Blair even waited to get his congressional medal until 2009, which shows how much of a joke Bush was

The idea that Bush strengthened alliances is a complete myth-the UK armed forces including people like General Jackson absolutely hated the Americans for putting absolutely no plan in place after the war, for getting rid of the Iraqi Army and firing about 500,000 low level officials who were needed. Sure the British did badly but it hardly improved the relationship.

Likewise the fact that Britain voted against attacking Syria in 2013 showed that Bush damaged the entire 'special relationship' because we didn't want to follow the Americans into another war on shaky grounds. It's completely false, from any angle to claim that George Bush strengthened the relationship from the Clinton esque levels in the 1990's.

Look at the Grand Coalition in 1991 to fight Saddam.
Compare it with 2003.

Only an idiot thinks that Bush was some sort of grand diplomat who inspired the world. As you like to say so much-he divided America

For starters, as I have stated before, sometimes making tough decisions requires leaders to do things that aren't popular, even when they are right. Not all of President Bush's decisions were popular in foreign capitols. But, the President tried to build strong alliances, and in many cases he succeeded. Furthermore, President Obama - in cases such as Israel, Poland, and Germany, has weakened our alliances, there is no doubt. President Bush worked with our allies to overthrow Saddam Hussein and destroy global terrorism.

Who was President in 2013, Bush or Obama? Bush didn't suggest going into Syria, Obama did. Bush never even talked about going into Syria because the situation there didn't arise until after he left office.

Also, I never said that Bush strengthened alliances from the Clinton era. My point here is that Bush sought to keep or strengthen the alliances we had. Also, I'm sure the Israelis would say Bush improved their alliance with the U.S. over Clinton. Bill Clinton welcomed Yassir Arafat to the white house and got angry when Rudy Giuliani had him ejected from the U.N. 50th anniversary celebration in New York City. President Bush refused to negotiate with Arafat because Arafat had no legitimate authority and was responsible for countless murders.



But the situation in Syria happened partially because of the upheaval in Iraq and other Middle Eastern/North African (since the whole Arab Spring started in Tunisia) countries. And that was Bush's actions that led up to that.

As for Saddam Hussein and Iraq itself, yeah, a whole lot of good that did in the end, huh?
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