Has the Culture War returned for 2012? And is the GOP on the losing side now?

[Donerail]

Millenials (1981-2000) are almost soon to their "coming to Jesus time". Most Millenials are Pro-Life inspite of other socially liberal leaning positions. Look at the Millenials that the media are propping up Tim Tebow, Jeremy Lin, Jordin Sparks, Colton Dixon. All to my knowledge are very outspoken socially conservative Christians. Do I need to mention those Jonas Brothers

Even if they're pro-life, we (social liberals) still win on all the other issues? I'd take that deal.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1971433,00.html
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2005/apr/12/20050412-121457-4149r/

[Donerail]

There's a very simple reason the GOP has done so well on the abortion debate: federal abortion laws in the United States are not only significantly more lenient than the international norm, but they are much more lenient than most Americans want. Both the official Democrat/Republican position on Abortion are far away from what most Americans want, but the current status quo is closer to the Democrat position, which naturally gives the "issue" advantage to the GOP. If abortion laws become far more strict, I could see this reversing.

Significantly more lenient that the international norm? They're roughly as restrictive as Canada, Cuba, Guyana, South Africa, France, Spain, Portugal, Switzerland, Austria, Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands, the Baltics, Norway, Sweden, the fmr. Yugoslavia, the fmr. Soviet Union, Bahrain, China, Mongolia, Nepal, Vietnam, Cambodia, and many others. We're nowhere near more lenient than the "international norm" if you're considering the international norm to be developed countries and others comparable to the United States.

It's a very mixed bag on social issues. The GOP has basically achieved total and complete victory on gun issues. Both parties will probably lose with the War on Drugs. Affirmative action will probably go onto the same dustheap of history as forced busing. There are more to social issues than "GOD AND GAYS" and the GOP has actually been pretty successful on those social issues.

Yes, yes, 2nd Amendment stands, War on Drugs is a failure like Prohibition, affirmative action eventually dies, and liberalism prevails.

[Donerail]

Yes, yes, 2nd Amendment stands, War on Drugs is a failure like Prohibition, affirmative action eventually dies, and liberalism prevails.

Also, I believe if one loses on every single issue except one (gay rights), we call that defeat.

If one wins on every issue you named (gay rights, 2nd amendment, the war on drugs, affirmative action, and abortion), I believe that's a victory.

[Donerail]

Yes, yes, 2nd Amendment stands, War on Drugs is a failure like Prohibition, affirmative action eventually dies, and liberalism prevails.

Also, I believe if one loses on every single issue except one (gay rights), we call that defeat.

If one wins on every issue you named (gay rights, 2nd amendment, the war on drugs, affirmative action, and abortion), I believe that's a victory.

Are you referring to classical liberalism or libertarianism? Because for the American social liberal movement as embodied by the Democratic Party, they've clearly lost on the 2nd amendment, affirmative action, and have lost ground on abortion (at least from the hey-days before Casey).

I'm referring to liberalism in the worldwide sense, yes.